From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jay Soffian Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] send-email: add --confirm option Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:33:45 -0500 Message-ID: <76718490903020433l21b98a77s574847e7484fda05@mail.gmail.com> References: <7vhc2d8vjk.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <1235924234-16923-1-git-send-email-jaysoffian@gmail.com> <7d1d9c250903010909h7d92f165oc703a05e819671a4@mail.gmail.com> <76718490903010949h7b64eb97ob567101fbc7e4cd1@mail.gmail.com> <20090302172401.6117@nanako3.lavabit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Cc: Paul Gortmaker , git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano To: Nanako Shiraishi X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Mon Mar 02 13:35:25 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Le7Ma-0005Nb-Iy for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:35:17 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750887AbZCBMds (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:33:48 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750772AbZCBMds (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:33:48 -0500 Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com ([209.85.198.237]:48873 "EHLO rv-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750699AbZCBMdr convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:33:47 -0500 Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so2249848rvb.1 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:33:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aaOHExdOqiVNEvIqSf3tC+DmkpTqjWopcnoMf2Bqm3U=; b=ZJXCgjSz/5VD6ASQJJYP30GXGGu+qm2Ig4AA7Drr7xT0PFreCJv6Jvqvzn+RE0nqss glxfFTVKdResVOmUmu3GVu24smPvDzIRoykNMDnIaZZpI67N/4nQJhlNCxckuNDj1ZAE WO/Wl4C1wtHW0DrVQhXKD8GE556k9CxxC4UV0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NUOxNtn6RSELIFK3PeQ3H4s+sXVyCivzz63KdxxOxpL+yRBYtKZfQZ1QRd9bqaz5kd kKm0Bgdqx8+4uvotjXOmkEsfS8emymXI4iuCZUsYpyiRcFVgeY6bwxfPA/AadB04DNJn ayWKrsnGL4ARDQj8pB4xy3JDsa5RQwTqzYFEI= Received: by 10.141.155.15 with SMTP id h15mr2905207rvo.158.1235997225803; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:33:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20090302172401.6117@nanako3.lavabit.com> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Nanako Shiraishi wrote: > By the way, I don't think the lesson you should take home is the need for an escape hatch. Read the message by Junio on August 24th, 2008. Being nice and not too loud during the deprecation period kept users complacent about upcoming changes and upset them when the change finally came. Being un-nice and too loud during the deprecation period would have upset them early instead. You cannot avoid upsetting users either way whenever you change the behavior. That's the lesson you should learn. Thank you for correcting me, and I apologize for the misinformation. It is very difficult to balance between the users who are upset enough by the change to be vocal about it, and the users who benefit from the change but that this list never hears from, but I appreciate that Junio is trying to accommodate both. j.