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From: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
To: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
Cc: Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, gitster@pobox.com,
	johannes.schindelin@gmx.de, peff@peff.net, ps@pks.im,
	johncai86@gmail.com, newren@gmail.com, jonathantanmy@google.com,
	karthik nayak <karthik.188@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/8] pack-objects: Create an alternative name hash algorithm (recreated)
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 12:45:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7fe5f33c-4923-42a4-b98e-e7c2116a2782@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z5F/JdnSAYqUBJ8s@nand.local>

On 1/22/25 6:28 PM, Taylor Blau wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 03:21:15PM -0500, Derrick Stolee wrote:

> Sorry that I punted on reviewing this for way longer than I should have,
> and thanks for bearing with me.

I wanted to give people time to recover from release mechanics before
poking this series again. Thanks for reviewing so quickly after my
message.

> I left a handful of comments on the patches themselves, but they are
> mostly cosmetic. 

Thanks. I have prepped a v4 with those cosmetic updates and will intend
to send it on Monday, unless there are more comments before then.

> After reviewing, I think the idea of having a versioned name-hash is a
> good one, and I agree that it'll make the eventual .bitmap changes much
> easier to implement.

Thanks!

[I reordered a paragraph below]

> My idle thought before having a chance to review this
> series is that the --name-hash-version option was handing over too much
> control to the user without clear instruction on when to use one version
> over the other.
...
> So I think in that sense exposing a `--name-hash-version` is the right
> thing to do. My feeling is that we should probably just add Jonathan's
> "v2", since it appears to be a improvement in nearly all cases against
> v1, and more often an improvement than not when compared to v3. In that
> world, just introducing v2 leaves us with less code to maintain and
> fewer, clearer options presented to users.

I think these ideas are related. The thought that really convinced me
that v3 isn't worth it right now is that users won't know which version to
use without some kind of opinion being voiced by tooling. If users assume
that "newer is better" then they may accidentally get into a worse
situation by defaulting to v3 over v2. It's unsatisfying to say "try both
and see which is better" especially when v3 is rarely better.

I'll drop the last patch in the next version, but I'll keep it in my fork
for possible future resurrection.

Thanks,
-Stolee


  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-24 17:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-05  3:05 [PATCH 0/7] pack-objects: Create an alternative name hash algorithm (recreated) Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-11-05  3:05 ` [PATCH 1/7] pack-objects: add --full-name-hash option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-11-21 20:08   ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-21 21:35     ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-21 23:32       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-11-22 11:46       ` Derrick Stolee
2024-11-22 11:59     ` Derrick Stolee
2024-11-26  8:26   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-11-05  3:05 ` [PATCH 2/7] repack: " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-11-21 20:12   ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-22 12:07     ` Derrick Stolee
2024-11-05  3:05 ` [PATCH 3/7] pack-objects: add GIT_TEST_FULL_NAME_HASH Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-11-21 20:15   ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-22 12:09     ` Derrick Stolee
2024-11-22  1:13   ` Jonathan Tan
2024-11-22  3:23     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-11-22 18:01       ` Jonathan Tan
2024-11-25  0:39         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-11-25 19:45           ` Jonathan Tan
2024-11-26  1:29             ` Junio C Hamano
2024-11-26  8:26   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-11-05  3:05 ` [PATCH 4/7] git-repack: update usage to match docs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-11-21 20:17   ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-22 15:26     ` Derrick Stolee
2024-11-05  3:05 ` [PATCH 5/7] p5313: add size comparison test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-11-21 20:31   ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-22 15:26     ` Derrick Stolee
2024-11-26  8:26   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-11-05  3:05 ` [PATCH 6/7] pack-objects: disable --full-name-hash when shallow Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-11-21 20:33   ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-22 15:27     ` Derrick Stolee
2024-11-05  3:05 ` [PATCH 7/7] test-tool: add helper for name-hash values Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-11-21 20:42   ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-22  1:23   ` Jonathan Tan
2024-11-21 23:50 ` [PATCH 0/7] pack-objects: Create an alternative name hash algorithm (recreated) Jonathan Tan
2024-11-22  3:01   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-11-22  4:22     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-11-22 15:27     ` Derrick Stolee
2024-11-24 23:57       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-11-22 18:05     ` Jonathan Tan
2024-12-02 23:21 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-12-02 23:21   ` [PATCH v2 1/8] pack-objects: create new name-hash function version Jonathan Tan via GitGitGadget
2024-12-04 20:06     ` karthik nayak
2024-12-04 21:05       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-12-05  9:46         ` karthik nayak
2024-12-09 23:15     ` Jonathan Tan
2024-12-10  0:01       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-12-02 23:21   ` [PATCH v2 2/8] pack-objects: add --name-hash-version option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-12-04 20:53     ` karthik nayak
2024-12-02 23:21   ` [PATCH v2 3/8] repack: " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-12-04 21:15     ` karthik nayak
2024-12-02 23:21   ` [PATCH v2 4/8] pack-objects: add GIT_TEST_NAME_HASH_VERSION Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-12-04 21:21     ` karthik nayak
2024-12-09 23:12     ` Jonathan Tan
2024-12-20 17:03       ` Derrick Stolee
2024-12-02 23:21   ` [PATCH v2 5/8] p5313: add size comparison test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-12-02 23:21   ` [PATCH v2 6/8] test-tool: add helper for name-hash values Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-12-02 23:21   ` [PATCH v2 7/8] pack-objects: prevent name hash version change Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-12-02 23:21   ` [PATCH v2 8/8] pack-objects: add third name hash version Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-12-03  3:23   ` [PATCH v2 0/8] pack-objects: Create an alternative name hash algorithm (recreated) Junio C Hamano
2024-12-04  4:56     ` Derrick Stolee
2024-12-04  5:02       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-12-20 17:19   ` [PATCH v3 " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-12-20 17:19     ` [PATCH v3 1/8] pack-objects: create new name-hash function version Jonathan Tan via GitGitGadget
2025-01-22 22:08       ` Taylor Blau
2024-12-20 17:19     ` [PATCH v3 2/8] pack-objects: add --name-hash-version option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-01-22 22:17       ` Taylor Blau
2025-01-24 17:29         ` Derrick Stolee
2024-12-20 17:19     ` [PATCH v3 3/8] repack: " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-01-22 22:18       ` Taylor Blau
2024-12-20 17:19     ` [PATCH v3 4/8] pack-objects: add GIT_TEST_NAME_HASH_VERSION Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-01-22 22:20       ` Taylor Blau
2024-12-20 17:19     ` [PATCH v3 5/8] p5313: add size comparison test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-12-20 17:19     ` [PATCH v3 6/8] test-tool: add helper for name-hash values Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2024-12-20 17:19     ` [PATCH v3 7/8] pack-objects: prevent name hash version change Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-01-22 22:22       ` Taylor Blau
2024-12-20 17:19     ` [PATCH v3 8/8] pack-objects: add third name hash version Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-01-22 22:37       ` Taylor Blau
2025-01-24 17:34         ` Derrick Stolee
2025-01-21 20:21     ` [PATCH v3 0/8] pack-objects: Create an alternative name hash algorithm (recreated) Derrick Stolee
2025-01-22 23:28       ` Taylor Blau
2025-01-24 17:45         ` Derrick Stolee [this message]
2025-01-27 19:02     ` [PATCH v4 0/7] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-01-27 19:02       ` [PATCH v4 1/7] pack-objects: create new name-hash function version Jonathan Tan via GitGitGadget
2025-01-27 19:02       ` [PATCH v4 2/7] pack-objects: add --name-hash-version option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-01-27 21:18         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-01-29 13:38           ` Derrick Stolee
2025-01-27 19:02       ` [PATCH v4 3/7] repack: " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-01-27 19:02       ` [PATCH v4 4/7] pack-objects: add GIT_TEST_NAME_HASH_VERSION Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-01-27 19:02       ` [PATCH v4 5/7] p5313: add size comparison test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-01-27 19:02       ` [PATCH v4 6/7] test-tool: add helper for name-hash values Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-01-27 19:02       ` [PATCH v4 7/7] pack-objects: prevent name hash version change Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2025-01-31 21:39       ` [PATCH v4 0/7] pack-objects: Create an alternative name hash algorithm (recreated) Taylor Blau

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