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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Andreas Ericsson <ae@op5.se>
Cc: "Pierre Habouzit" <madcoder@debian.org>,
	"Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>, "Kristian Høgsberg" <krh@redhat.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFH] convert shortlog to use parse_options
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:59:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7v3au1eopr.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47662715.9070200@op5.se> (Andreas Ericsson's message of "Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:36:53 +0100")

Andreas Ericsson <ae@op5.se> writes:

> Junio C Hamano wrote:
> 
>> ...  The
>> "must stick" restriction feels Ok on paper but in practice it looks
>> rather draconian and very user unfriendly.
>
> Usually, optional arguments warrant adding a second parameter. This can
> often even improve usability, as it's never unclear or ambiguous what's
> happening. For the 'git tag -l' case, I'd use something like
> 'git tag -l --match="regex"' or some such,...

That is essentially arguing for POSIXly correct "do not allow optional
option-arguments" (utility syntax guidelines #7).  That position might
be politically correct, but I am already discussing beyond that:
usability.

For "git tag -l", the fix was rather simple, as the option would either
have taken a zero pattern (list all) or a single pattern (list matching
this pattern), and the command itself did not take any extra arguments,
so that was what I did in the patch.  Compare your POSIXly correct
version:

        git tag -l			(ok)
        git tag -l pattern		(not ok)
	git tag -l --match=pattern	(ok)

with the traditional (and fixed):

        git tag -l			(ok)
        git tag -l pattern		(ok)
	git tag -l pattern garbage	(not ok)

Which one is easier for the user?

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-17  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-13  5:52 [RFH] convert shortlog to use parse_options Jeff King
2007-12-13  9:06 ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13  9:10   ` Jeff King
2007-12-13  9:35     ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13 10:26       ` [PATCH 1/2] parseopt: Enforce the use of the sticked form for optional arguments Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13 10:27         ` [PATCH 2/2] parseopt: Add a gitcli(5) man page Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13 11:04           ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-12-13 13:56             ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17  7:28           ` [PATCH] (squashme) gitcli documentation fixups Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17  8:51             ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17  8:57             ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17  7:28         ` [PATCH] builtin-tag: fix fallouts from recent parsopt restriction Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17  9:07           ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 10:53             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17 10:58               ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 11:21                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17 12:33                   ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 19:52                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17 20:31                       ` Jeff King
2007-12-17 20:42                         ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 21:01                           ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 23:07                             ` Jeff King
2007-12-17 23:14                               ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 20:42                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17 20:53                           ` Jeff King
2007-12-17 21:24                             ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 21:11                       ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 11:13             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17 11:56               ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 11:59                 ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13 17:40       ` [RFH] convert shortlog to use parse_options Junio C Hamano
2007-12-13 18:03         ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13 18:07           ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13 19:49             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-13 18:28           ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-12-13 18:47             ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-12-13 20:46               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-14  4:08               ` Jeff King
2007-12-14  5:59                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-14  8:33                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-14  8:39                   ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-14 20:34                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-15 11:03                       ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17  7:27                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17  7:36                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-17  7:59                             ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2007-12-17  9:38                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-17 16:21                               ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-12-13 19:31           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-13 20:53             ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13  9:29   ` Pierre Habouzit

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