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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Pierre Habouzit <madcoder@debian.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Re: Convert 'git blame' to parse_options()
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:51:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7v8wwvg15z.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080623233146.GP13395@artemis.madism.org> (Pierre Habouzit's message of "Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:31:46 +0200")

Pierre Habouzit <madcoder@debian.org> writes:

>   Unrelated but worth to note: many parse_options users just don't care
> about argv[0] and having it kept each time would rather be a pain for
> them (they would need to call argv++, argc-- themselves).

Not necessarily.  If they were parsing by hand, they were written to deal
with the fact that argv[0] is not the program argument (iow, they start
counting from one).  And before and after calling parse_options(), they
need to change that assumption anyway, because parse_options() makes
argv[0] disappear.

See for example these:

 * 5eee6b2 (Make builtin-reset.c use parse_options., 2008-03-04)
	The caller used to start counting from 1, after the conversion it
	has to count from 0.

 * 8320199 (Rewrite builtin-fetch option parsing to use parse_options()., 2007-12-04)
 * 3968658 (Make builtin-tag.c use parse_options., 2007-11-09)
	The caller used to say (i==argc) is "no param" case, now it has to
	say "!argc" is the equivalent condition.

I am not saying that forcing these callers to change their loop invariants
in order to use parse_options() was bad.  I am saying that your "would
rather be a pain for them" is a bogus argument --- they needed to pay that
price when converting to parse_options() that munges argv[0] anyway.

But this argv[0] munging exactly is why parse_options() hurts users who
want to cascade option parsing.

Didn't one of the recent series have an option to tell parse_options() to
start parsing from argv[0] (persumably because it got an argument array
from somebody who munges it to drop argv[0])?  I think it was merge-in-C
from Miklos, but the approach feels very much backwards.  The caller
should be (at least) able to choose to say KEEP_ARGV0 like one of your
patch does.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-23 23:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-23  5:15 Convert 'git blame' to parse_options() Linus Torvalds
2008-06-23  6:35 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-06-23 12:28   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-06-23  8:22 ` [RFC] " Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 12:26   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-06-23 15:53     ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 16:25       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-06-23 16:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-23 16:49       ` Jeff King
2008-06-23 17:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-23 17:15           ` Jeff King
2008-06-23 17:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-23 18:15               ` Jeff King
2008-06-23 18:36                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-23 18:20               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-23 18:33                 ` Jeff King
2008-06-23 18:47                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-23 19:16                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-23 21:09                       ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 21:11                         ` [PATCH] parse-opt: have parse_options_{start,end} Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 21:11                           ` [PATCH] parse-opt: Export a non NORETURN usage dumper Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 21:11                             ` [PATCH] parse-opt: create parse_options_step Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 21:11                               ` [PATCH] parse-opt: do not pring errors on unknown options, return -2 intead Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 21:11                                 ` [PATCH] parse-opt: fake short strings for callers to believe in Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 22:08                                 ` [PATCH] parse-opt: do not pring errors on unknown options, return -2 intead Junio C Hamano
2008-06-23 22:13                                   ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 21:23                         ` [RFC] Re: Convert 'git blame' to parse_options() Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 21:23                         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-06-23 21:28                           ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 21:26                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-23 21:41                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-23 21:47                           ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 22:11                           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-06-23 22:24                             ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 22:36                               ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 22:38                               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-06-23 23:31                                 ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 23:40                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-23 23:51                                   ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2008-06-24  7:50                                     ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24  1:27                                   ` Jeff King
2008-06-23 19:53                     ` Jeff King
2008-06-23 20:04                       ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 20:12                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-24  5:35                         ` Jeff King
2008-06-24 16:59                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-24 17:13                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-06-24 17:34                             ` Jeff King
2008-06-24 17:44                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-24 19:46                                 ` Jeff King
2008-06-24  0:30                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-06-24  8:24                   ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24 17:05                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-24 19:30                       ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24 19:43                         ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-25  6:09                         ` Johannes Sixt
2008-06-23 17:04       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-06-23 17:21         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-23 18:39           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-06-23 17:26         ` Jeff King
2008-06-23 18:41           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-06-23 19:24       ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-23 16:11   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-24  9:12 ` Making parse-opt incremental, reworked series Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24  9:12   ` [PATCH 1/7] parse-opt: have parse_options_{start,end} Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24  9:12     ` [PATCH 2/7] parse-opt: Export a non NORETURN usage dumper Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24  9:12       ` [PATCH 3/7] parse-opt: create parse_options_step Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24  9:12         ` [PATCH 4/7] parse-opt: do not pring errors on unknown options, return -2 intead Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24  9:12           ` [PATCH 5/7] parse-opt: fake short strings for callers to believe in Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24  9:12             ` [PATCH 6/7] parse-opt: add PARSE_OPT_KEEP_ARGV0 parser option Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24  9:12               ` [PATCH 7/7] Migrate git-blame to parse-option partially Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24 10:03               ` [PATCH 6/7] parse-opt: add PARSE_OPT_KEEP_ARGV0 parser option Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24 17:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-24 19:27                 ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24 20:55                 ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-24 17:20             ` [PATCH 5/7] parse-opt: fake short strings for callers to believe in Linus Torvalds
2008-06-24 19:26               ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-25 15:07                 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-06-24 20:58             ` [REPLACEMENT PATCH] " Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-26  8:35               ` Pierre Habouzit
2008-06-26  8:40                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-06-26  9:37                   ` Pierre Habouzit

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