From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Junio C Hamano Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Git Forum Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:53:39 -0700 Message-ID: <7vabk4klfw.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> References: <60646ee10804081451i4e6aa23ek44280e5d367d8814@mail.gmail.com> <20080408222501.GV11574@genesis.frugalware.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Dill , git@vger.kernel.org To: Miklos Vajna X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Wed Apr 09 00:55:14 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JjMia-0002so-W3 for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:55:09 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752889AbYDHWyZ (ORCPT ); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:54:25 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752700AbYDHWyZ (ORCPT ); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:54:25 -0400 Received: from a-sasl-fastnet.sasl.smtp.pobox.com ([207.106.133.19]:33691 "EHLO sasl.smtp.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752165AbYDHWyY (ORCPT ); Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:54:24 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a-sasl-fastnet.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47388B952; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pobox.com (ip68-225-240-77.oc.oc.cox.net [68.225.240.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a-sasl-fastnet.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCAEB87A; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:53:47 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20080408222501.GV11574@genesis.frugalware.org> (Miklos Vajna's message of "Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:25:01 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Miklos Vajna writes: > On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 03:51:59PM -0600, Dill wrote: >> I think a lot of users not only look at mailing lists but also seek >> out forums for help. > > i never understood why this is good. maybe because there are no ads on > this mailing list? > > yes, there are users who can't use a mail client so they use forums, but > how one expects a user to learn git when he/she is not able to use a > mail client? :) That's Ok. Not everybody has to subscribe to this mailing list to use git. Choice is fine. I just have a suspicion that this community the "forum" announcement talks about will be a completely different community from what is known as the "Git community", whose definition is roughly "people who appear on this mailing list and/or people who help others on #git at freenode". The people in "Git community" are generally helpful bunch of people when new people have troubles, and any "Git community" will want to have people like them --- otherwise the place will end up to be full of questions, confusion, and wrong answers without much guidance and enlightenment. But I suspect the people from existing "Git community" will not bother visiting the new "forum" only to help out more new people. There must be something else that is compelling enough for them to visit there, for example, "to hunt for ideas on what's lacking" (which, by the way, is the reason I sometimes sit in #git channel, even though I am not an IRC person). But we already have the mailing list and #git for that, so that's not what this new communication channel can offer us. They need to come up with something new to entice us. In short, "forum" people need to build their own set of helpful experts if they want to have "an excellent online reference ... to get help". It takes efforts to build a new community from scratch. I am afraid that they will be pretty much on their own. But I have been wrong before. Let's see how well the new "forum" flourish (no, I do not forsee me visiting there).