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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Brown <git@davidb.org>, Alex Riesen <raa.lkml@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Johannes Sixt <j.sixt@viscovery.net>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:16:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vbq0ho5g7.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0807280906530.3486@nehalem.linux-foundation.org> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:09:32 -0700 (PDT)")

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:

> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, David Brown wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:31:28AM +0200, Alex Riesen wrote:
>> 
>> > because there are situations where it produces too much false
>> > positives. Like when file system crawlers keep changing it when
>> > scanning and using the ctime for marking scanned files.
>> 
>> That's interesting, since most backup software uses the ctime to determine
>> file changes.
>
> It really is just Beagle that is (was? I can dream) a piece of 
> unbelievable crap.
>
> Anybody who uses extended attributes as part of a indexing scheme is just 
> insane. Modifying the file you are indexing is not just fundamentally 
> wrong to begin with, but it will then also be incredibly inefficient to 
> read those entries one at a time.

It's a typo and you are saying it _is_ fundamentally wrong, aren't you?

If you are prepared to pick up new files, you need to crawl everywhere
anyway, so if the xattr is used to leave a mark "The last time I looked at
this file was this" in the file itself, it does not sound too bad to me.
It would be irritating that it touches ctime, though, but I do not use it
so it is not my problem ;-)

http://beagle-project.org/FAQ "Do I really need extended attributes?"
talks about BEAGLE_DISABLE_XATTR environment variable and interestingly
it says disabling use of xattr would slow you down.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-29  1:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-21 17:35 [PATCH] Fix update-index --refresh for submodules if stat(2) returns st_size 0 Alex Riesen
2008-07-21 18:20 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-21 19:43   ` Alex Riesen
2008-07-21 23:26     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-22  8:07     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-22 16:49       ` Alex Riesen
2008-07-22  7:17 ` Johannes Sixt
2008-07-22 16:46   ` Alex Riesen
2008-07-22 16:59     ` Johannes Sixt
2008-07-22 17:28   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-22 19:39     ` [PATCH] Build configuration to skip ctime for modification test Alex Riesen
2008-07-22 20:17       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-22 20:31         ` Alex Riesen
2008-07-23  0:12           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-23 16:46             ` Alex Riesen
2008-07-23 16:59               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-23 19:16                 ` Alex Riesen
2008-07-25  2:00                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-25  5:55                     ` Alex Riesen
2008-07-26  0:57                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-26 15:38                         ` [PATCH] Make use of stat.ctime configurable Alex Riesen
2008-07-27 19:46                           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-27 19:46                           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-28  6:31                             ` Alex Riesen
2008-07-28 16:04                               ` David Brown
2008-07-28 16:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-28 21:49                                   ` Alex Riesen
2008-07-29  1:16                                   ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2008-07-29  1:23                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-29  1:31                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-29  1:41                                         ` David Brown
2008-07-29  2:49                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-29 10:45                                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-29  1:55                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-29  2:01                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-29 10:49                                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-28 16:20                               ` Petr Baudis
2008-07-28 21:47                                 ` [PATCH] Improve the placement of core.trustctime in the documentation Alex Riesen
2008-07-29  6:23                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-24 19:00             ` [PATCH] Do not use ctime if file mode is not used Alex Riesen
2008-07-23 16:00           ` git svn throws locale related error when built from source Anton Mostovoy

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