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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Steffen Prohaska <prohaska@zib.de>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Robin Rosenberg <robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Peter Karlsson <peter@softwolves.pp.se>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	msysGit <msysgit@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: CRLF problems with Git on Win32
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:11:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vbq7wrsb6.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <02DC77F5-7465-418D-972E-0F76E56C3F75@zib.de> (Steffen Prohaska's message of "Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:58:57 +0100")

Steffen Prohaska <prohaska-wjoc1KHpMeg@public.gmane.org> writes:

	By the way, is it your setting that mangles people's
	e-mail addresses?  If it is, is it possible for you to
	configure it to stop doing that?

> I don't think a solution will be found by declaring one platform
> native (UNIX) and all other platform non-native.  The question to
> answer is how to support cross-platform projects.  A valid
> solution should never corrupt data unless the user explicitly
> told git to do so.

I realize I might have misunderstood your intention.

I did not use the word "native" to mean "native vs second class
citizen".  The "native" in my description should have said "a
platform whose native line ending convention happens to match
what the project chose to use as its canonical blob object
representation".  And on such a platform, there is no need to
worry about accidental corruption because there is no autocrlf
involved.   I could have said "lucky platform" instead of
"native".

I have been assuming that both of us are assuming LF line ending
is what a typical cross-platform project would pick as the
canonical blob object representation.  If you are assuming CRLF
line ending as the canonical blob object representation for
projects originating from Windows, UNIX is not native (or
"lucky") in such a project.  Of course, in such a project,
setting "core.autocrlf = true" is absolutely a wrong thing to do
on Windows.  Perhaps you meant that, and I would agree with you.

In such a project, setting "core.autocrlf = reversed" (which
would convert work tree LF line endings to canonical CRLF when
creating a blob, but we currently do not support it) on UNIX
would become necessary, if you want the resulting mess to work
reasonably without configuration.

As long as "cross-platform" needs to support checkouts on
platforms with different conventions, and if you do not give
explicit marking about the binariness, platforms that are not
"lucky" needs to guess.  The alternative is to check out
verbatim and effectively get it all wrong, from the platform
convention's point of view.

There is no avoiding that.

HOWEVER.

If you mean by "cross platform project" a project that picks LF
line ending as the canonical representation, then you cannot
deny the fact that Windows is not "lucky" and without explicit
marking about the binariness, it needs to guess.  Again, the
alternative is to check out verbatim and get it all wrong.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-08 20:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-07  9:16 CRLF problems with Git on Win32 Peter Karlsson
2008-01-07  9:57 ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-07 10:00   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-07 12:15     ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-07 10:12   ` Jeff King
2008-01-07 18:47     ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-07 19:16       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-07 21:03         ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-07 21:18           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-07 21:40             ` Steffen Prohaska
     [not found]               ` <3B08AC4C-A807-4155-8AD7-DC6A6D0FE134-wjoc1KHpMeg@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-07 22:06                 ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                   ` <7vzlvhxpda.fsf-jO8aZxhGsIagbBziECNbOZn29agUkmeCHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-07 22:58                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                       ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801071457040.3148-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-07 23:46                         ` Gregory Jefferis
2008-01-08 11:09                           ` git and unicode Gonzalo Garramuño
2008-01-08 15:09                             ` Remi Vanicat
2008-01-08 20:36                             ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-08  8:55                         ` CRLF problems with Git on Win32 Marius Storm-Olsen
2008-01-08  7:02                     ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-08  7:29                       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-08 10:08                         ` Jeff King
2008-01-08 10:35                           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-08 12:20                           ` Gregory Jefferis
2008-01-08 17:29                 ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                   ` <20080108172957.GG22155-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-08 17:56                     ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-08 18:07                       ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                         ` <7vmyrgry20.fsf-jO8aZxhGsIagbBziECNbOZn29agUkmeCHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-08 18:58                           ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-08 19:09                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-01-08 19:47                               ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                                 ` <7vir24rtfp.fsf-jO8aZxhGsIagbBziECNbOZn29agUkmeCHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-08 20:02                                   ` Steffen Prohaska
     [not found]                                     ` <B655B6FF-9377-434A-A979-2E758771B0FA-wjoc1KHpMeg@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-08 20:15                                       ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                                         ` <7v3at8rs4b.fsf-jO8aZxhGsIagbBziECNbOZn29agUkmeCHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-08 20:39                                           ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-09 11:03                                       ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]                                         ` <alpine.LSU.1.00.0801091100401.31053-OGWIkrnhIhzN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-09 12:45                                           ` Steffen Prohaska
     [not found]                                             ` <019B1C82-27BF-4B6B-981D-5498D31B5DD3-wjoc1KHpMeg@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-09 13:32                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-08 20:41                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-09  8:03                                     ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                                       ` <7vd4sbmnmz.fsf-jO8aZxhGsIagbBziECNbOZn29agUkmeCHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-09 10:48                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-09 20:25                                           ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                                             ` <7vmyrehhkd.fsf-jO8aZxhGsIagbBziECNbOZn29agUkmeCHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-09 20:50                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]                                             ` <alpine.LSU.1.00.0801092047190. 31053@racer.site>
     [not found]                                               ` <alpine.LSU.1.00.0801092047190.31053-OGWIkrnhIhzN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-09 21:03                                                 ` Steffen Prohaska
     [not found]                                           ` <alpine.LSU.1.00.0801091041570.31053-OGWIkrnhIhzN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10  9:25                                             ` Peter Karlsson
     [not found]                                               ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801101023380.11922-Hh8n7enkEC8qi7mQTfpNuw@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 11:57                                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-11  3:03                                                   ` Miles Bader
2008-01-11  3:03                                                   ` Miles Bader
     [not found]                                               ` <alpine.LSU.1.00.080110115 5140.31053@racer.site>
     [not found]                                                 ` <alpine.LSU.1.00.0801101155140.31053-OGWIkrnhIhzN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 13:28                                                   ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-10 14:31                                                     ` Peter Harris
     [not found]                                                       ` <eaa105840801100631p6b95ed86j153d70244d474b03-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-11 13:12                                                         ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-11 15:39                                                           ` Peter Harris
2008-01-08 19:59                               ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-08 20:11                             ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
     [not found]                               ` <7vbq7wrsb6.fsf-jO8aZxhGsIagbBziECNbOZn29agUkmeCHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-08 20:20                                 ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-08 20:50                             ` Dmitry Potapov
     [not found]                               ` <20080108205054.GN6951-EQL4cN526mwi5CQI31g/s0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-08 21:15                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-08 21:57                                   ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-08 21:31                                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                   ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801081325010.3148-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-08 22:09                                     ` Sean
2008-01-08 22:51                                     ` Dmitry Potapov
     [not found]                                       ` <20080108225138.GA23240-EQL4cN526mwi5CQI31g/s0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-09  0:01                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-09  8:43                                     ` Abdelrazak Younes
2008-01-10 19:58                         ` Gregory Jefferis
2008-01-10 20:20                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-10 21:28                             ` Gregory Jefferis
2008-01-10 23:23                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-11  0:02                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11  0:32                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-11  7:10                                 ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-11 15:58                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 16:28                                     ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-11 17:25                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 17:56                                         ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-11 18:10                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 18:29                                             ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-11 19:16                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 19:50                                                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-01-11 21:18                                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-11 22:21                                                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-01-12 15:08                                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-12 17:54                                                 ` [PATCH] [WIP] safecrlf: Add mechanism to warn about irreversible crlf conversions Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-12 19:14                                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-13  9:05                                                     ` [WIP v2] " Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-11 19:53                                             ` CRLF problems with Git on Win32 Christer Weinigel
2008-01-14  9:41                                             ` David Kågedal
2008-01-11 19:00                                       ` Gregory Jefferis
2008-01-12 15:26                                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-10 20:50                           ` Rogan Dawes
2008-01-10 21:15                             ` Gregory Jefferis
2008-01-11  1:15                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-08 18:07                       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-07 21:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-08 21:26             ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-09 10:56               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-09 12:41                 ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-09 13:52                   ` Gregory Jefferis
2008-01-09 14:03                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-09 15:22                       ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-09 15:03                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-09 17:37                       ` Gregory Jefferis
2008-01-09 19:05                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-07 21:42           ` Thomas Neumann
2008-01-08 10:56             ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-08 11:07               ` Jeff King
2008-01-08 11:54                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-08 11:52               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-08 13:07               ` Peter Harris
2008-01-08 15:20                 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-08 15:58                 ` Kelvie Wong
2008-01-08 21:33                 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-09 18:46               ` Jan Hudec
2008-01-07 10:13   ` Peter Klavins
2008-01-07 12:58     ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-07 13:50     ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-07 14:14       ` Peter Klavins
2008-01-07 16:05       ` Steffen Prohaska

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