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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Kristian Høgsberg" <krh@redhat.com>
Cc: Pierre Habouzit <madcoder@debian.org>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFH] convert shortlog to use parse_options
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:46:54 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vk5ni1fwh.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1197571656.28742.13.camel@hinata.boston.redhat.com> (Kristian Høgsberg's message of "Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:47:36 -0500")

Kristian Høgsberg <krh@redhat.com> writes:

> Oops, sorry about that.  I just wanted to say we shouldn't jump through
> all these hoops to make the option parser support every type of option
> there ever was in the git command line ui.  A lot of these were probably
> decided somewhat arbitrarily by whoever implemented the command.
> Instead it's an opportunity to retroactively enforce some consistency
> and predictability to the various option-styles that have been
> hand-rolled over time in different git commands.

That principle is fine, but I do not think it is relevant to what is
being discussed.  The issue is what to do with a flag that can
optionally take a parameter but works fine without because it has a
default.

 * You can obviously disallow such a flag, and call the result
   "consistent".  I do not think we want to go that route.  --abbrev, -M
   (to diff) and -w (to shortlog) are good examples why this is a good
   thing.  You want to use the default most of the time, but want to be
   able to tweak the value sometimes.

 * You can alternatively require parameters to such a flag always stuck
   with the flag, which is what Pierre did.  I suspected that is
   introducing an inconsistency and may be confusing to the users ("I
   can write -n=1 or -n 2, but why not --abbrev 7???") and wanted to see
   if somebody can come up with a better alternative.

 * You can try to make the parser a bit more context sensitive by
   looking at the possible parameter and see if it is plausible, which
   hopefully would work for most of the real life cases (e.g. "--abbrev
   7 HEAD" vs "--abbrev HEAD").  I however agree with Pierre that "DWIM
   works most of the time" is not good enough if there is no way to
   disambiguate in cases that fall outside.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-13 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-13  5:52 [RFH] convert shortlog to use parse_options Jeff King
2007-12-13  9:06 ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13  9:10   ` Jeff King
2007-12-13  9:35     ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13 10:26       ` [PATCH 1/2] parseopt: Enforce the use of the sticked form for optional arguments Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13 10:27         ` [PATCH 2/2] parseopt: Add a gitcli(5) man page Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13 11:04           ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-12-13 13:56             ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17  7:28           ` [PATCH] (squashme) gitcli documentation fixups Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17  8:51             ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17  8:57             ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17  7:28         ` [PATCH] builtin-tag: fix fallouts from recent parsopt restriction Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17  9:07           ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 10:53             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17 10:58               ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 11:21                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17 12:33                   ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 19:52                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17 20:31                       ` Jeff King
2007-12-17 20:42                         ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 21:01                           ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 23:07                             ` Jeff King
2007-12-17 23:14                               ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 20:42                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17 20:53                           ` Jeff King
2007-12-17 21:24                             ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 21:11                       ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 11:13             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17 11:56               ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17 11:59                 ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13 17:40       ` [RFH] convert shortlog to use parse_options Junio C Hamano
2007-12-13 18:03         ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13 18:07           ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13 19:49             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-13 18:28           ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-12-13 18:47             ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-12-13 20:46               ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2007-12-14  4:08               ` Jeff King
2007-12-14  5:59                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-14  8:33                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-14  8:39                   ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-14 20:34                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-15 11:03                       ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-17  7:27                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17  7:36                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-17  7:59                             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17  9:38                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-17 16:21                               ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-12-13 19:31           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-13 20:53             ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-13  9:29   ` Pierre Habouzit

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