From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Junio C Hamano Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/2] Mixing English and a local language Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:18:06 -0700 Message-ID: <7vligfcdgh.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> References: <1345922816-20616-1-git-send-email-pclouds@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: git@vger.kernel.org To: Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Wed Sep 12 20:18:21 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TBrW0-0000OF-FH for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:18:20 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760977Ab2ILSSM (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:18:12 -0400 Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com ([208.72.237.35]:49153 "EHLO smtp.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1760968Ab2ILSSK (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:18:10 -0400 Received: from smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E689523; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:18:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=v0Mq3hcJ3OyjVwJWJWv0PJMS+Wg=; b=ZxEJXE /IPEfePLWsOImimXtSJiqckZw2NBCPehG9H/fWxtJ+Rd3sjDzz+eB+kSlAzpN5N1 8o/48kc8KL3dzwW7kEsq67YvSPh1nvDLcCu6HXbN6ANkdRh+KuuKJHihRP8Pg2Wn C/62ZZglnX+HTb2ZpRVQFZ9hO5ysRrvYIO3OI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=F+KsOzLQiVUqM424j3wLLJxsKSgfIBzB zsjV6KvRHPhGSNMME3pNS9nFxVXpjtoIuXD72zdgYgCM6ziZPNVkN1a6cx/0MUnx OpLn3I93kgtd1wenVD4Gr3t6LXyZWLMkeVG95pkiJr5XZuuWeHJED9VQatPLPgYm WfX9ywy1Npg= Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BFC9522; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [98.234.214.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42AA99521; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:18:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy's message of "Wed, 12 Sep 2012 21:05:33 +0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 340E405A-FD06-11E1-8EDA-BAB72E706CDE-77302942!b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy writes: > Should I interpret the silence as "I don't care, if you want it, go > for it" or "not acceptable, but no reasons given"? I do not speak for the others, but the reason I didn't respond is none of the above. It is somewhere between "Meh" and "Anything that says 'local language' and 'English' cannot be worth looking at." I _think_ the patch was inspired by $gmane/204979, where I said: Or "LC_ALL=C LANG=C git format-patch ...". It does not bother me (even though I do not read Vietnamese), but this has been brought up a few times, and we may want to revert the i18n of the diffstat summary. It does not seem to add much value to the system but annoys people. After all, the "upstream" diffstat does not localizes this string (I just checked diffstat-1.55 with Jan 2012 timestamp). and I have been waiting to see what others think. I am so far taking the silence in the thread to mean they do not mind seeing the diffstat summary untranslated and they do not mind seeing it in Klingon, as long as the three numbers are there with (+) and (-) markings. It is bad enough having to decide where the boundary between 'local language' and 'C locale' should be drawn in the mixture. I am not enthused by an attempt to make the boundary tweakable, and worse yet, to do so per command. IMHO, we should just decide where to draw the line and be done with it. The users already know or can be trained to know to choose the greatest common denominator when interacting with others.