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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Johan Herland <johan@herland.net>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Make "$remote/$branch" work with unconventional refspecs
Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 21:28:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vr4hmuk20.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1367711749-8812-1-git-send-email-johan@herland.net> (Johan Herland's message of "Sun, 5 May 2013 01:55:42 +0200")

Johan Herland <johan@herland.net> writes:

> The "$remote/$branch" syntax can be interpreted in two subtly different
> ways:
>
>  1. A shorthand name for the remote-tracking branch corresponding to a
>     specific $branch from a specific $remote.
>
>  2. A refname fragment, which - when appended to "refs/remotes/" -
>     yields the remote-tracking branch corresponding to a specific
>     $branch from a specific $remote.

I think both of the above are somewhat distorted views and they go
against all the documentation we have so far.  The real definition
is:

   3. $string (which may happen to have one or more slashes) is used
      by prepending a few common prefixes to see if the result forms
      a full refname, and refs/remotes/ is one of the prefixes.
      origin/master ends up referring refs/remotes/origin/master
      because of this.

> However, when configuring non-default refspecs
> (such as the +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/heads/*), it becomes
> obvious that the current code follows the latter interpretation: The
> "$remote/$branch" shorthand will no longer work, and you are forced to
> use "$remote/heads/$branch" instead.

While I do _not_ think it is _wrong_ to use remotes/origin/heads/*
as a namespace for branches you copy from the 'origin' remote, my
gut feeling is that it is myopic to redefine that origin/master
resolves to refs/remotes/origin/heads/master [*1*].

Step back a bit.

There must be a reason why somebody wants remotes/origin/heads/*
instead of the traditional remotes/origin/* to keep the copies of
branches taken from the origin.

It is because she wants to use the parts of remotes/origin/ that are
outside remote/origin/heads/ to store other things taken from that
remote, no?  They may be "changes", "pull-requests", "notes", etc.

If origin/master were to map to refs/remotes/origin/heads/master and
origin/jh/rtrack were to map to refs/remotes/origin/heads/jh/rtrack,
[*2*] what short-hands hierarchies in refs/remotes/origin/ other
than "heads/" would have?

If you do not special case "heads/",

    $ git merge origin/pull-requests/4

is very straightforward to understand and explain when you use the
definition #3 above.  But if you do, then the above may refer to
origin/heads/pull-requests/4, or perhaps there is no pull-requests/4
branch in the origin and the resolution may have to error out.

While I do not reject refs/remotes/origin/heads/* layout as a
possibility, I am somewhat skeptical that any "solution" that starts
from the "two interpretations" above (both of which are flawed, that
only consider what happens to the branches) will yield a generally
useful result.

If the final end result you are shooting for is to introduce an
extra level between the remote name and the branch names, i.e.
"heads/", any solution needs to at least have a plan (not necessarily
a detailed design or implementation) for the other hierarchies.  The
possibility to have these other hierarchies per remote is the true
progress that the "heads/" at that level can give us; there is not
much point to have heads/ after refs/remotes/origin/, if heads/ is
the only thing that can come there.


[Footnotes]

*1* Unlike the usual cautions from me, this does not have anything
    to do with backward compatibility; it is more about forward
    thinking.

*2* Wait.
    Does origin/jh/rtrack map to refs/remotes/origin/jh/heads/rtrack
    which is rtrack branch taken from the origin/jh remote?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-05-05  4:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-04 23:55 [PATCH 0/7] Make "$remote/$branch" work with unconventional refspecs Johan Herland
2013-05-04 23:55 ` [PATCH 1/7] shorten_unambiguous_ref(): Allow shortening refs/remotes/origin/HEAD to origin Johan Herland
2013-05-05 11:56   ` Bert Wesarg
2013-05-06 17:52   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-07 18:49     ` Johan Herland
2013-05-07 18:54       ` [PATCHv2 1/3] t1514: Add tests of shortening refnames in strict/loose mode Johan Herland
2013-05-07 18:54         ` [PATCHv2 2/3] t1514: Demonstrate failure to correctly shorten "refs/remotes/origin/HEAD" Johan Herland
2013-05-07 18:54         ` [PATCHv2 3/3] shorten_unambiguous_ref(): Fix shortening refs/remotes/origin/HEAD to origin Johan Herland
2013-05-07 21:03       ` [PATCH 1/7] shorten_unambiguous_ref(): Allow " Junio C Hamano
2013-05-07 21:31       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-07 22:03         ` Johan Herland
2013-05-07 22:06           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-07 22:37             ` Johan Herland
2013-05-04 23:55 ` [PATCH 2/7] t7900: Start testing usability of namespaced remote refs Johan Herland
2013-05-07  1:29   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-07 21:52     ` Johan Herland
2013-05-07 22:20       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-04 23:55 ` [PATCH 3/7] t7900: Demonstrate failure to expand "$remote/$branch" according to refspecs Johan Herland
2013-05-07  1:30   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-04 23:55 ` [PATCH 4/7] refs.c: Refactor rules for expanding shorthand names into full refnames Johan Herland
2013-05-07  1:36   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-04 23:55 ` [PATCH 5/7] refs.c: Refactor code for shortening full refnames into shorthand names Johan Herland
2013-05-07  1:44   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-04 23:55 ` [PATCH 6/7] refname_match(): Caller must declare if we're matching local or remote refs Johan Herland
2013-05-07  1:48   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-04 23:55 ` [PATCH 7/7] refs.c: Add rules for resolving refs using remote refspecs Johan Herland
2013-05-05  4:28 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2013-05-05  9:59   ` [PATCH 0/7] Make "$remote/$branch" work with unconventional refspecs Johan Herland
2013-05-05 19:02     ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-05 22:26       ` Johan Herland
2013-05-05 22:36         ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-06  1:02           ` Santi Béjar
2013-05-06  1:04             ` Santi Béjar
2013-05-06 17:11               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-06 19:17                 ` Santi Béjar
2013-05-06 17:06         ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-06 17:20           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-06 23:42           ` Johan Herland
2013-05-07  2:11             ` Junio C Hamano

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