From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Peter Karlsson <peter@softwolves.pp.se>,
Mark Junker <mjscod@web.de>, Pedro Melo <melo@simplicidade.org>,
"git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:28:22 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vr6gedgk9.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801180909000.2957@woody.linux-foundation.org> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:11:47 -0800 (PST)")
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Peter Karlsson wrote:
>>
>> But they are not different strings, they are canonically equivalent as
>> far as Unicode is concerned.
>
> Fuck me with a spoon.
>
> Why the hell cannot people see that "equivalent" and "same" are two
> totally different meanings.
Could people _please_ stop this already?
I think the sane people see the difference between equivalence
and sameness, and we established that a filesystem that mangles
the filenames behind user's back is a bad design. Anybody who
followed the thread and still does not agree with you is, eh,
"ugly-and-stupid", as you might say ;-). You cannot educate
them all.
The thing is, even if you mange to educate them all, that broken
filesystem, and other filesystems with similar brokenness, do
not go away. If your ultimate objective is to declare that it
is the right thing for git not to support such broken
filesystems, and to make everybody agree to it, that is fine.
Please keep pouring fuel to the fire. But if that is not the
case, we would need to devise a way to help lives easier for the
unfortunate people who are stuck on such filesystems. They may
not even realize that they are unfortunate now, and I agree that
some education is justified, but this thread has raged on long
enough to salvage any salvageable lost souls (the remaining ones
may be beyond salvation but let's not waste time on them).
I'd rather see our mental bandwidth spent on coming up with a
workable workaround for such broken filesystems, while not
hurting use of git on sane platforms.
I fear it might have to end up to be very messy and slow,
though.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-01-18 20:29 UTC|newest]
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2008-01-16 15:17 git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names Mark Junker
2008-01-16 15:34 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-16 15:43 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 16:32 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-16 16:46 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-16 20:39 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 21:51 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-16 22:06 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 22:23 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-16 23:16 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 22:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 22:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 23:11 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 23:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 23:57 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 0:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 0:27 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 0:32 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-17 0:40 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 0:54 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 1:08 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 1:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 4:07 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 0:35 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 0:45 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-18 8:29 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 11:16 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-16 23:58 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-17 0:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 0:09 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 0:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 0:33 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 0:43 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 0:57 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 1:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 1:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 3:52 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 4:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 4:30 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 4:51 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-17 5:23 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 6:13 ` Geert Bosch
2008-01-17 7:11 ` Mitch Tishmack
2008-01-17 10:22 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 13:44 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 15:57 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 16:53 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-18 0:44 ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-17 14:02 ` Andrew Heybey
2008-01-17 15:04 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-19 19:29 ` Kyle Moffett
2008-01-19 19:57 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 10:08 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 16:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 18:09 ` Mark Junker
2008-01-17 18:12 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 18:18 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 18:36 ` Mark Junker
2008-01-17 18:38 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 18:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 19:02 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 18:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 18:50 ` Mark Junker
2008-01-17 18:52 ` Pedro Melo
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801 171100330.14959@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2008-01-17 19:01 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-17 19:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18 0:18 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-18 0:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18 1:05 ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-18 1:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18 4:08 ` Brian Dessent
2008-01-18 8:49 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-18 9:42 ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-18 10:30 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-18 15:37 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 17:24 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-18 10:19 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 10:50 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-18 15:30 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 17:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18 20:24 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-19 8:48 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-19 14:55 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-19 21:17 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-19 18:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-19 20:39 ` Mark Junker
2008-01-19 22:58 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-20 6:14 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-20 6:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20 13:15 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-20 0:11 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-20 1:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20 5:27 ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-20 5:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20 7:00 ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-20 7:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20 8:00 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-20 8:12 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-20 9:34 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-18 20:28 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2008-01-18 20:50 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-23 2:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-01-23 2:57 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-23 14:26 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-01-23 21:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-21 14:14 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-21 16:43 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 16:48 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 16:59 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:43 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 20:53 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 21:05 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 23:01 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 16:53 ` Jeff King
2008-01-21 17:08 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-01-21 17:25 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:35 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 20:32 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 18:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 19:05 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 19:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 19:58 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 20:53 ` Kevin Ballard
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.1.0! 0.0801211323120.2957@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2008-01-21 20:58 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 21:17 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:28 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 21:43 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 21:49 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 22:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 22:46 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 22:56 ` Martin Langhoff
[not found] ` <53C76BEA-2232-4940-8776-9DF1880089A4@sb.org>
2008-01-21 23:05 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:16 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22 0:30 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:00 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 23:09 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22 0:47 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22 1:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22 1:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22 2:33 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22 2:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22 3:04 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22 3:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22 3:21 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22 4:22 ` Kevin Ballard
[not found] ` <20080122133427.GB17804@mit.edu>
2008-01-23 0:08 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 0:38 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 1:47 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23 2:06 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 8:45 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-23 0:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-23 1:14 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23 1:16 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 1:27 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23 1:33 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 1:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-23 2:02 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 6:41 ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-23 8:15 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 8:43 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23 9:02 ` Jonathan del Strother
2008-01-23 9:12 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23 9:19 ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-23 9:32 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23 9:40 ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-23 13:38 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 16:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-23 17:12 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 17:19 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 17:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-24 21:02 ` On pathnames Junio C Hamano
2008-01-24 22:31 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-01-25 3:55 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-25 4:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-25 4:12 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-25 8:08 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-25 12:25 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25 12:50 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-25 12:53 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-24 23:56 ` Sean
2008-01-25 0:36 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25 4:00 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-01-25 4:21 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-25 11:36 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25 16:25 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-01-25 17:34 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25 5:59 ` Jeff King
2008-01-23 20:18 ` git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names Jay Soffian
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2008-01-24 2:05 ` Kevin Ballard
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2008-01-24 4:37 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-24 5:30 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-24 6:39 ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-24 18:17 ` Mitch Tishmack
2008-01-24 18:52 ` Mitch Tishmack
2008-01-24 19:58 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 23:37 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23 16:58 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 17:39 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23 17:47 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 19:57 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 20:01 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:15 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 20:31 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:46 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 20:59 ` Kevin Ballard
[not found] ` <6E303071-82A4-4D69-AA0C-EC41168B9AFE@sb.org>
2008-01-21 21:18 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 21:43 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 21:49 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:57 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22 0:36 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-22 0:42 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22 0:48 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-22 1:06 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22 1:34 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-22 1:53 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22 2:03 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-21 22:38 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-22 2:34 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22 7:51 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 20:56 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 21:07 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 22:41 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 22:53 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:21 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 19:44 ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-21 20:36 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 21:06 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:09 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 21:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 22:45 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 20:30 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 18:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 21:27 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-17 22:01 ` JM Ibanez
2008-01-17 22:09 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-18 1:27 ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-17 23:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 23:10 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-16 23:52 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-16 22:37 ` Eyvind Bernhardsen
2008-01-16 23:03 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 7:29 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-17 4:43 ` Jay Soffian
2008-01-17 4:59 ` Jay Soffian
2008-01-17 5:15 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-17 10:28 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 11:10 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 11:23 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 11:51 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 12:53 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 13:40 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 17:58 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-17 18:22 ` Johan Herland
2008-01-17 13:05 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 11:46 ` Wincent Colaiuta
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