From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Junio C Hamano Subject: Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:28:22 -0800 Message-ID: <7vr6gedgk9.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> References: <478E1FED.5010801@web.de> <65026F2B-5CE8-4238-A9AB-D3545D336B41@sb.org> <200801162251.54219.jnareb@gmail.com> <1574A90A-8C45-46AD-9402-34AE6F582B3F@sb.org> <7652B11D-9B9F-45EA-9465-8294B701FE7C@sb.org> <8AC4CC86-A711-483D-9F9C-5F8497006A1D@sb.org> <478F99E7.1050503@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Peter Karlsson , Mark Junker , Pedro Melo , "git@vger.kernel.org" To: Linus Torvalds X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Fri Jan 18 21:29:47 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JFxqL-0008Hq-T6 for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:29:38 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1764391AbYARU2e (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:28:34 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1764878AbYARU2e (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:28:34 -0500 Received: from a-sasl-quonix.sasl.smtp.pobox.com ([208.72.237.25]:35837 "EHLO sasl.smtp.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1764843AbYARU2c (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:28:32 -0500 Received: from a-sasl-quonix (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9877717; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pobox.com (ip68-225-240-77.oc.oc.cox.net [68.225.240.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC6D7714; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:28:23 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Linus Torvalds's message of "Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:11:47 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Linus Torvalds writes: > On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Peter Karlsson wrote: >> >> But they are not different strings, they are canonically equivalent as >> far as Unicode is concerned. > > Fuck me with a spoon. > > Why the hell cannot people see that "equivalent" and "same" are two > totally different meanings. Could people _please_ stop this already? I think the sane people see the difference between equivalence and sameness, and we established that a filesystem that mangles the filenames behind user's back is a bad design. Anybody who followed the thread and still does not agree with you is, eh, "ugly-and-stupid", as you might say ;-). You cannot educate them all. The thing is, even if you mange to educate them all, that broken filesystem, and other filesystems with similar brokenness, do not go away. If your ultimate objective is to declare that it is the right thing for git not to support such broken filesystems, and to make everybody agree to it, that is fine. Please keep pouring fuel to the fire. But if that is not the case, we would need to devise a way to help lives easier for the unfortunate people who are stuck on such filesystems. They may not even realize that they are unfortunate now, and I agree that some education is justified, but this thread has raged on long enough to salvage any salvageable lost souls (the remaining ones may be beyond salvation but let's not waste time on them). I'd rather see our mental bandwidth spent on coming up with a workable workaround for such broken filesystems, while not hurting use of git on sane platforms. I fear it might have to end up to be very messy and slow, though.