From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Junio C Hamano Subject: Re: Newbie grief Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 10:39:51 -0700 Message-ID: <7vsjffalqw.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> References: <4F9F128C.5020304@palm.com> <201204302331.q3UNVo7o032303@no.baka.org> <4F9F28F5.2020403@palm.com> <201205010137.q411bxaU002449@no.baka.org> <4F9F52B9.9060508@palm.com> <08704bd2e32343a4b9def80e4fa1efa2-mfwitten@gmail.com> <4FA2D8EA.7030809@palm.com> <87obq5ggpu.fsf@an-dro.info.enstb.org> <7vehr1dl2z.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <4FA307C5.102@palm.com> <4FA3090D.5080406@palm.com> <4FA32A6A.4070007@blizzard.com> <1167779eee7d442b9db0eecb347d5516-mfwitten@gmail.com> <7vmx5ocyc3.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <1336126182.3490.28.camel@beez.lab.cmartin.tk> <7vehr0c852.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: Carlos =?utf-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= Nieto , Rich Pixley , Ronan Keryell , git@vger.kernel.org To: Michael Witten , Nathan Gray , Illia Bobyr X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Fri May 04 19:40:00 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SQMU2-0000Pj-Uj for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Fri, 04 May 2012 19:39:59 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753094Ab2EDRjy convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Fri, 4 May 2012 13:39:54 -0400 Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com ([208.72.237.35]:54710 "EHLO smtp.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752170Ab2EDRjx convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Fri, 4 May 2012 13:39:53 -0400 Received: from smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7BD6050; Fri, 4 May 2012 13:39:53 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=QKzJ6MIdD237 LmU8F5MFrlZO9TE=; b=ZDpCRIwoHbTNalujZ5VjfwJrxJKPBivlGtVw4MLEyrzK JEGyW6lxGf8A73M8qnuK0S2iFDzKFI1trKewbf90kBgUuyGouZb9fNtzvGJoEyTy 98jAn75eqMHd4P/7WXNve3WtcakixRnPTgHvG88qkfIad+HZS19Pz/YghnEMukI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sasl; b=c7sytZ x/TT0mFGHiGMDu4Fz3DbYtMXYO+zqrwnpD6p8DBzfF6NmKCW8biUPe79w1IGYaeC xl8VuUMa6LHonlwid9IoPw3yoFSCz8O+CTnNfv62uW3SoPsIUslNhR1HcsQTT3/8 rEHJ+YwM5mYB77ufUXDM4+0gkvcVKCqbxerJ0= Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048F7604F; Fri, 4 May 2012 13:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [76.102.170.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7D53C604C; Fri, 4 May 2012 13:39:52 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <7vehr0c852.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (Junio C. Hamano's message of "Fri, 04 May 2012 07:50:49 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 27942B1C-9610-11E1-98EA-FC762E706CDE-77302942!b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Junio C Hamano writes: > Carlos Mart=C3=ADn Nieto writes: > >>> Didn't somebody recently rework these messages quite extensively? >> >> If you're thinking of me,... > > No, I was referring to f25950f (push: Provide situational hints for > non-fast-forward errors, 2012-03-20). If anybody wants to further discuss possible rephrasing of the advice messages, please do not base your discussion without what was discussed already in the previous round and what issues need to be taken into account. A good text to use as the starting point of your discussion is the advi= ce messages in 'master'; use c5da24a (Merge branch 'ct/advise-push-default= ', 2012-04-20) or anything more recent. Also see http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/193079 for the discussion that led to the current text.