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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: Wincent Colaiuta <win@wincent.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Steffen Prohaska <prohaska@zib.de>,
	Martin Langhoff <martin.langhoff@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Minor annoyance with git push
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:59:18 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vzlu8cta1.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080210223440.GA15051@sigill.intra.peff.net> (Jeff King's message of "Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:34:40 -0500")

Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:

> ... Are there any
> other git commands which use non-HEAD branches that have not been
> explicitly mentioned by the user?  I can think only of query-type
> commands (like show-branch, or describe) that are non-state-changing.

That's an irrelevant comparison.  push and fetch have always
been multi-branch operations by default from day one.  The issue
is not HEAD vs non-HEAD.

You can argue that historically established practices do not
matter at all (at least to new people), and I'd grant that it
may be a valid argument.  But a change that breaks existing
practices needs to be sold much more carefully.  I still do not
understand what the opposition is to keep the current behaviour
as the default and have a shorthand for the single head push
accessible with a short and sweet "git push $there HEAD" (and
default $there to 'origin' when missing).

If you are introducing a new behaviour, there is no way the new
behaviour can start out by replacing the longtime default.  It
should start out as an option, and if it is a commonly useful
option then make it an _easily accessible_ option.  And accept
such an _enhancement_ sooner to help people who want such a
behaviour sooner.  That would not hurt anybody but help
(hopefully) many people, without downside.

Switching the default behaviour is a much longer term thing.  It
definitely has downside people mentioned in this thread.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-10 23:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-08  4:44 Minor annoyance with git push Martin Langhoff
2008-02-08  4:50 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-02-08  7:48   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-02-09 11:22     ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-02-10  3:44       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-02-10 12:21         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-08 11:52   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-08 22:23     ` Martin Langhoff
2008-02-08 22:27       ` Mike Hommey
2008-02-08  5:38 ` Sean
2008-02-08  6:29   ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-02-08 11:50 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-08 22:27   ` Martin Langhoff
2008-02-08 22:57     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-09  2:46     ` Jeff King
2008-02-09  2:54       ` Jeff King
2008-02-09 13:04         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-09 13:22           ` Jeff King
2008-02-09 11:22       ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-02-09  3:00 ` Jeff King
2008-02-09  3:24   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-02-09  3:55     ` Jeff King
2008-02-09 11:50     ` Martin Langhoff
2008-02-09 13:06       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-10  2:24       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-02-10 10:13         ` Jeff King
2008-02-10 12:22           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-17  1:08         ` [RFC] checkout to notice forks (Re: Minor annoyance with git push) Junio C Hamano
2008-02-17  3:31           ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-02-17  4:11             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-02-17  6:39               ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-02-17  7:37                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-02-17 17:36                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-02-17 12:28           ` Jeff King
2008-02-20 16:01             ` Santi Béjar
2008-02-19 17:03           ` Martin Langhoff
2008-02-20 23:05             ` [PATCH] checkout: tone down the "forked status" diagnostic messages Junio C Hamano
2008-02-21  1:45               ` Jeff King
2008-02-21  3:42                 ` [PATCH] checkout: updates to tracking report Junio C Hamano
2008-02-21  5:27                   ` Jay Soffian
2008-02-21 17:02                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-02-21  2:56               ` [PATCH] checkout: tone down the "forked status" diagnostic messages Jay Soffian
2008-02-09 10:53   ` Minor annoyance with git push Steffen Prohaska
2008-02-09 13:10     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-10  2:07       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-02-10  2:15         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-10 10:17           ` Jeff King
2008-02-10 12:20             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-10 12:23               ` Jeff King
2008-02-10 13:04                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-10 13:07                   ` Jeff King
2008-02-20  8:23                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-02-20 13:06                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-20 15:20                       ` Jay Soffian
2008-02-20 15:38                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-21 22:35                           ` Steven Walter
2008-02-22  0:11                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-20 14:03                     ` Jeff King
2008-02-20 17:54                       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-02-20 18:15                         ` Jeff King
2008-02-20 18:17                           ` Jeff King
2008-02-20 18:19                           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-02-20 18:23                             ` Jeff King
2008-02-10 14:03           ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-02-10 15:02             ` Steven Walter
2008-02-10 16:29               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-10 16:26             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-02-10 18:18               ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-02-10 22:34                 ` Jeff King
2008-02-10 22:59                   ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2008-02-10 23:29                     ` Jeff King

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