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From: Alex Riesen <raa.lkml@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Martin Langhoff <martin.langhoff@gmail.com>,
	Ray Lehtiniemi <rayl@mail.com>,
	Radoslaw Szkodzinski <astralstorm@gorzow.mm.pl>,
	Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com>,
	Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>,
	cworth@cworth.org, Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Census] So who uses git?
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:12:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <81b0412b0602020112l26f69728v11139ae84ea9b84f@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0602010815480.21884@g5.osdl.org>

On 2/1/06, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:
> > $ time git update-index --refresh
> >
> > real    0m21.500s
> > user    0m0.358s
> > sys     0m1.406s
> >
> > WinNT, NTFS, 13k files, hot cache.
>
> That's 25% less files than the Linux kernel, and I can do that operation
> in 0m0.062s (0.012s user, 0.048s system).

correction. It's 18k files, which is almost the same as 2.6.13-rc6. But these
files got *very* long names (the project poisoned by classical C++ education
and breaks windows' 255 chars limit on filename length from time to time).
Refresh index in 2.6.13 is actualy consistantly faster:

$ cd src/linux-2.6.13-rc6
$ time git update-index --refresh
real    0m1.344s
user    0m0.358s
sys     0m0.984s

> So WinNT/cygwin is about 2.5 _orders_of_maginitude_ slower here, or 340
> times slower.
>
> Now, I'm tempted to say that NT is a piece of sh*t, but the fact is, your
> CPU-times seem to indicate that most of it is IO (and the "real" cost is
> just 1.7 seconds, much of which is system time, which in turn itself is
> probably due to the IO costs too - so even that isn't comparable with
> the ).
>
> Which may mean that you simply don't have enough memory to cache the whole
> thing. Which may be NT sucking, of course ("we don't like to use more than
> 10% of memory for caches"), but it might also be a tunable (which is sucky
> in itself, of course), but finally, it might just be that you just don't
> have a ton of memory. I've got 2GB in my machines, although 1GB is plenty
> to cache the kernel.

I have 2Gb, the "System Cache" is around 1.5Gb, and this is PIV 3.2GHz.
There seem to be no tunables for any kind of system stuff
(savin' on support costs, do they?).
You'd be very hardpressed not to say that windows is a piece of sh*t.

The "benchmark: several times in a row:

$ time git update-index --refresh
real    0m1.766s
user    0m0.498s
sys     0m1.203s

$ time git update-index --refresh
real    0m1.766s
user    0m0.358s
sys     0m1.390s

$ time git update-index --refresh
real    0m1.781s
user    0m0.420s
sys     0m1.311s

$ time git update-index --refresh
real    0m1.875s
user    0m0.374s
sys     0m1.343s

$ time git update-index --refresh
real    0m1.766s
user    0m0.326s
sys     0m1.375s

It is always almost the same time. I don't think it's IO, looks more like
cache accesses. It is just that bad in this cygwin+win2k combination.
Besides, I don't trust "time <command>" on windows much: it returned
sys time 0 for git-update-index in a directory which was read before.
Yes, there was disk activity, I can hear it real good with that barrakuda.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-02  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-26  2:10 LCA06 Cogito/GIT workshop - (Re: git-whatchanged: exit out early on errors) Martin Langhoff
2006-01-28  4:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-28  5:33   ` Martin Langhoff
2006-01-28  5:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-28  6:32       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-29 10:12       ` Fredrik Kuivinen
2006-01-29 20:15         ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-28 11:00     ` Keith Packard
2006-01-28 21:08       ` [Census] So who uses git? Junio C Hamano
2006-01-29  2:14         ` Morten Welinder
2006-01-29  3:53           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-29 14:19             ` Morten Welinder
2006-01-29 20:15               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-29 10:09         ` Keith Packard
2006-01-29 11:18           ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2006-01-29 18:12             ` Greg KH
2006-01-31 18:33               ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2006-01-31 19:50                 ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2006-01-31 20:43                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-31 21:02                     ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2006-01-30 22:51             ` Alex Riesen
2006-01-31 21:25               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-31 21:52                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-01-31 22:01                 ` Alex Riesen
     [not found]                   ` <20060201013901.GA16832@mail.com>
2006-02-01  2:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  2:09                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-09  5:15                         ` [PATCH] "Assume unchanged" git Junio C Hamano
2006-02-09  5:49                           ` [PATCH] "Assume unchanged" git: do not set CE_VALID with --refresh Junio C Hamano
2006-02-09  5:50                           ` [PATCH] ls-files: debugging aid for CE_VALID changes Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  2:31                       ` [Census] So who uses git? Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  3:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  7:03                           ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                         ` <20060201045337.GC25753@mail.com>
2006-02-01  5:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  5:42                           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 16:15                       ` Jason Riedy
2006-02-01 19:20                       ` Julian Phillips
2006-02-01 19:29                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-06 21:15                       ` Chuck Lever
2006-02-01  2:52                     ` Martin Langhoff
2006-02-01  3:48                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 19:30                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-02-01 14:55                       ` Alex Riesen
2006-02-01 16:25                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-02  9:12                           ` Alex Riesen [this message]
2006-01-29 18:37         ` Dave Jones
2006-01-29 20:17           ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-01-29 20:29             ` Martin Langhoff
2006-01-30 15:23             ` Mike McCormack
2006-01-30 18:58         ` Carl Baldwin
2006-01-31 10:27           ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-01-31 15:24             ` Carl Baldwin
2006-01-31 15:31               ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-01-31 17:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-31 18:12               ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-01-31 19:33                 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-31 19:44                   ` Jon Loeliger
2006-01-31 19:52                     ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                     ` <7vd5i8w2nc.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net>
2006-01-31 20:56                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-01-31 20:06                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-01-31 19:01               ` Keith Packard
2006-01-31 19:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-31 22:55                   ` Joel Becker
2006-02-01 14:43                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-01-31 20:56                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-01-31 22:21                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 19:34               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-01-31 23:16             ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-01-31 23:36               ` Petr Baudis
2006-01-31 23:47               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  0:38                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  0:52                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  2:19                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-02-01  6:42                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  7:22                     ` Carl Worth
2006-02-01  8:26                       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  9:59                         ` Randal L. Schwartz
2006-02-01 20:48                           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 17:11                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 17:18                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-02-01 20:27                       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 21:09                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 21:34                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-02-01 21:59                           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 22:25                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-02-01 22:50                               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-02 14:59                                 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-02-01 22:35                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 23:33                               ` Two ideas for improving git's user interface Carl Worth
2006-02-02  0:38                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-02  1:16                                   ` Carl Worth
2006-02-02  2:25                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-03 23:57                                       ` Carl Worth
2006-02-02  1:23                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-02  1:44                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-04  8:03                                     ` Alan Chandler
2006-02-04  8:25                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-04  9:30                                         ` Alan Chandler
2006-02-04  0:20                                   ` Carl Worth
2006-02-04  2:08                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-06 23:42                                       ` Carl Worth
2006-02-02 12:31                                 ` Florian Weimer
2006-02-02 16:30                                 ` Carl Baldwin
2006-02-01 22:57                             ` [Census] So who uses git? Daniel Barkalow
2006-02-01 22:00                         ` Joel Becker
2006-02-01 19:32           ` H. Peter Anvin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-02-01  7:08 linux
2006-02-01  8:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 16:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 16:10 ` Alex Riesen
2006-02-01 21:27   ` linux

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