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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Switching from CVS to GIT
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:57:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86d4vgpxew.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0710150936070.25221@racer.site> (Johannes Schindelin's message of "Mon\, 15 Oct 2007 09\:44\:12 +0100 \(BST\)")

Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> writes:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
>> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:45:47 +0100 (BST)
>> > From: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
>> > cc: Alex Riesen <raa.lkml@gmail.com>, ae@op5.se, tsuna@lrde.epita.fr, 
>> >     git@vger.kernel.org, make-w32@gnu.org
>> > 
>> > The problem is not so much opening, but determining if an existing file 
>> > and a file in the index have the same name.
>> > 
>> > For example, "README" in the index, but "readme" in the working directory, 
>> > will be handled as "deleted/untracked" by the current machinery.  IOW git 
>> > will not know that what it gets from readdir() as "readme" really is the 
>> > same file as "README" in the index.
>> 
>> That's because you think file names are simple strings and can be
>> compared by simple string comparison.
>
> Almost...
>
>> This na?ve view is not true even on POSIX systems: "foo/bar" and 
>> "/a/b/foo/bar" can be the same file, as well as "/a/b/c/d" and "/x/y/z", 
>> given the right symlinks.
>
> ... not quite, ah ...
>
>> But for some reason that eludes me, people who are accustomed to POSIX
>> stop right there and in effect say "file names are strings, if we only
>> make them absolute and resolve links".
>
> ... yes!  There you have it.  Absolute filenames, resolved by
> readlink() are assumed to be the unique (!) identifiers for the
> contents.

They aren't.  One can mount the same file system several times in
different places.  In Linux, one can even mount directories and files
to several places at once.  Most Unices also support some
case-insensitive file systems, and readlink does not canonicalize the
casing.

> _Note:_ absolute paths _without_ readlink() resolving are _still_
> unique identifiers; this time for files/symlinks.

Not even that.  A unique identifier for files would imply that
touching the file does not affect, say, the access times of files with
other unique identifiers.

-- 
David Kastrup

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-15  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1192293466.17584.95.camel@homebase.localnet>
     [not found] ` <uy7e6keyv.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <1192381040.4908.57.camel@homebase.localnet>
2007-10-14 17:10     ` Switching from CVS to GIT Benoit SIGOURE
2007-10-14 18:06       ` Marco Costalba
2007-10-14 18:20       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15  5:35         ` Martin Langhoff
2007-10-14 18:27       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-14 18:39         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14 19:09           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-14 20:14             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14 22:14               ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-14 22:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-14 23:45                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15  0:36                     ` Brian Dessent
2007-10-15  1:22                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15  1:24                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15  6:04                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15  7:56                             ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-15  8:20                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15  8:47                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 11:09                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15 12:31                                     ` Johannes Sixt
2007-10-15 12:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15 18:29                                         ` Paul Smith
2007-10-15  9:23                                 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-15 11:06                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15  4:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15  8:34                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15  9:02                             ` Benoit SIGOURE
2007-10-15 17:56                         ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-15 18:37                           ` Brian Dessent
2007-10-15 18:44                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 19:07                               ` Brian Dessent
2007-10-15 19:27                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 20:24                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-15 20:36                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 19:42                                 ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-15 19:48                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15 19:58                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 21:06                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15 20:05                                   ` Brian Dessent
2007-10-15 20:19                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 20:43                                       ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-15 20:46                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16  2:24                                         ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2007-10-16  4:16                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 10:09                                             ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2007-10-16 12:18                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16  6:17                                           ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-15 21:08                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15 20:05                               ` Mark Watts
2007-10-15  4:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15  5:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15  8:44                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15  8:56                         ` David Kastrup
2007-10-15  8:57                         ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-10-15 17:49                         ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-15 18:25                           ` Dave Korn
2007-10-15 18:34                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 19:34                             ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-15 17:53                     ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-14 23:55                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-16  0:45                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-10-16  4:30                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16  5:14                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-16  6:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16  7:07                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-10-16 12:29                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 12:38                             ` Peter Karlsson
2007-10-16 13:04                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 12:53                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 12:59                               ` David Kastrup
2007-10-16 13:15                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 15:47                           ` Dave Korn
2007-10-16 15:56                           ` David Brown
2007-10-16 16:04                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-16 16:23                             ` Dave Korn
2007-10-16 18:06                               ` Christopher Faylor
2007-10-16 16:59                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-16  7:14                         ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-16 12:33                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 13:16                             ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-16 13:21                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 13:50                                 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-16 14:14                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 14:36                                     ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-16 15:12                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-17 19:33                               ` Robin Rosenberg
2007-10-16  5:56                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-10-16  7:03                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 12:39                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 12:47                             ` David Kastrup
2007-10-16 13:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 13:24                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 15:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 15:18                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 15:43                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 17:04                             ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-10-16  6:06                       ` David Kastrup
2007-10-16  6:42                       ` Johannes Sixt
2007-10-16  7:17                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-14 22:59                 ` Dave Korn
2007-10-15  0:01                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 17:36                     ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-15  0:03                   ` David Brown
2007-10-15  6:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15 10:16                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-15 10:38                         ` Johannes Sixt
2007-10-15 10:52                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-15 11:16                           ` Dave Korn
2007-10-15  0:46                 ` Michael Gebetsroither
2007-10-15 17:38                   ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-15 19:26                     ` David Kastrup
2007-10-15 19:30                       ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-16 11:13                 ` Peter Karlsson
2007-10-15  5:43             ` Martin Langhoff
2007-10-15  6:39       ` Johannes Sixt
2007-10-15 23:12         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-16  6:10           ` Johannes Sixt
2007-10-16  6:21             ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-16  6:29               ` Johannes Sixt
2007-10-16 15:16             ` Johannes Schindelin

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