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[24.132.57.224]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f10sm12757434edx.60.2021.06.15.11.57.39 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason To: "Robert P. J. Day" Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano , Derrick Stolee , Jeff King , Felipe Contreras , Bagas Sanjaya , Robert Karszniewicz , Emily Shaffer Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] doc: replace "alice" and "bob" examples Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:45:33 +0200 References: <18b53cae-6da9-c970-b994-caee11c5baf9@crashcourse.ca> User-agent: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid; Emacs 27.1; mu4e 1.5.12 In-reply-to: <18b53cae-6da9-c970-b994-caee11c5baf9@crashcourse.ca> Message-ID: <874kdzymzh.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Jun 15 2021, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, =C3=86var Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0 Bjarmason wrote: > >> I suggested in [1] that the "alice" and "bob" examples in our >> documentation would be better written without a reference to such >> fictional characters, for reasons that have nothing to do with trying >> to bend over backwards to avoid any reference to people's gender. It >> just makes for better documentation. > > no, it doesn't ... and wikipedia explains it nicely: It doesn't make for better documentation? Maybe not, but can you comment on specific parts of the changes in this series that make it worse? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_and_Bob > > "In cryptography, Alice and Bob are fictional characters commonly used > as placeholders in discussions about cryptographic protocols or > systems, and in other science and engineering literature where there > are several participants in a thought experiment. The Alice and Bob > characters were invented by Ron Rivest, Adi Shamir, and Leonard > Adleman in their 1978 paper "A Method for Obtaining Digital Signatures > and Public-key Cryptosystems".[1] Subsequently, they have become > common archetypes in many scientific and engineering fields, such as > quantum cryptography, game theory and physics.[2] As the use of Alice > and Bob became more widespread, additional characters were added, > sometimes each with a particular meaning. These characters do not have > to refer to humans; they refer to generic agents which might be > different computers or even different programs running on a single > computer." > > if you want to make the docs better, have at it, but please don't do > something as meaningless as replacing "bob" and "alice" because you're > feeling politically correct, or woke, or whatever the hell the kids > call it these days. > > jesus ... I believe that the commit message of 1/6 addresses the point you're raising here: http://lore.kernel.org/git/patch-1.6-abbb5b9ba13-20210615T161330Z-avarab@gm= ail.com