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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: "Geert Jansen" <gerardu@amazon.com>,
	"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"René Scharfe" <l.s.r@web.de>,
	"Takuto Ikuta" <tikuta@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/9] sha1-file: use loose object cache for quick existence check
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:01:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ftw62sld.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181112145442.GH7400@sigill.intra.peff.net>


On Mon, Nov 12 2018, Jeff King wrote:

> In cases where we expect to ask has_sha1_file() about a lot of objects
> that we are not likely to have (e.g., during fetch negotiation), we
> already use OBJECT_INFO_QUICK to sacrifice accuracy (due to racing with
> a simultaneous write or repack) for speed (we avoid re-scanning the pack
> directory).
>
> However, even checking for loose objects can be expensive, as we will
> stat() each one. On many systems this cost isn't too noticeable, but
> stat() can be particularly slow on some operating systems, or due to
> network filesystems.
>
> Since the QUICK flag already tells us that we're OK with a slightly
> stale answer, we can use that as a cue to look in our in-memory cache of
> each object directory. That basically trades an in-memory binary search
> for a stat() call.
>
> Note that it is possible for this to actually be _slower_. We'll do a
> full readdir() to fill the cache, so if you have a very large number of
> loose objects and a very small number of lookups, that readdir() may end
> up more expensive.
>
> This shouldn't be a big deal in practice. If you have a large number of
> reachable loose objects, you'll already run into performance problems
> (which you should remedy by repacking). You may have unreachable objects
> which wouldn't otherwise impact performance. Usually these would go away
> with the prune step of "git gc", but they may be held for up to 2 weeks
> in the default configuration.
>
> So it comes down to how many such objects you might reasonably expect to
> have, how much slower is readdir() on N entries versus M stat() calls
> (and here we really care about the syscall backing readdir(), like
> getdents() on Linux, but I'll just call this readdir() below).
>
> If N is much smaller than M (a typical packed repo), we know this is a
> big win (few readdirs() followed by many uses of the resulting cache).
> When N and M are similar in size, it's also a win. We care about the
> latency of making a syscall, and readdir() should be giving us many
> values in a single call. How many?
>
> On Linux, running "strace -e getdents ls" shows a 32k buffer getting 512
> entries per call (which is 64 bytes per entry; the name itself is 38
> bytes, plus there are some other fields). So we can imagine that this is
> always a win as long as the number of loose objects in the repository is
> a factor of 500 less than the number of lookups you make. It's hard to
> auto-tune this because we don't generally know up front how many lookups
> we're going to do. But it's unlikely for this to perform significantly
> worse.
>
> Signed-off-by: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
> ---
> There's some obvious hand-waving in the paragraphs above. I would love
> it if somebody with an NFS system could do some before/after timings
> with various numbers of loose objects, to get a sense of where the
> breakeven point is.
>
> My gut is that we do not need the complexity of a cache-size limit, nor
> of a config option to disable this. But it would be nice to have a real
> number where "reasonable" ends and "pathological" begins. :)

I'm happy to test this on some of the NFS we have locally, and started
out with a plan to write some for-loop using the low-level API (so it
would look up all 256), fake populate .git/objects/?? with N number of
objects etc, but ran out of time.

Do you have something ready that you think would be representative and I
could just run? If not I'll try to pick this up again...

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-12 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-25 18:38 [RFC PATCH] index-pack: improve performance on NFS Jansen, Geert
2018-10-26  0:21 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-26 20:38   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-27  7:26     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-27  9:33       ` Jeff King
2018-10-27 11:22         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-28 22:50           ` [PATCH 0/4] index-pack: optionally turn off SHA-1 collision checking Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-30  2:49             ` Geert Jansen
2018-10-30  9:04               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-30 18:43             ` [PATCH v2 0/3] index-pack: test updates Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-13 20:19               ` [PATCH v3] index-pack: add ability to disable SHA-1 collision check Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-14  7:09                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-14 12:40                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-30 18:43             ` [PATCH v2 1/3] pack-objects test: modernize style Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-30 18:43             ` [PATCH v2 2/3] pack-objects tests: don't leave test .git corrupt at end Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-30 18:43             ` [PATCH v2 3/3] index-pack tests: don't leave test repo dirty " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-28 22:50           ` [PATCH 1/4] pack-objects test: modernize style Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-28 22:50           ` [PATCH 2/4] pack-objects tests: don't leave test .git corrupt at end Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-28 22:50           ` [PATCH 3/4] index-pack tests: don't leave test repo dirty " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-28 22:50           ` [PATCH 4/4] index-pack: add ability to disable SHA-1 collision check Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-29 15:04           ` [RFC PATCH] index-pack: improve performance on NFS Jeff King
2018-10-29 15:09             ` Jeff King
2018-10-29 19:36             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-29 23:27               ` Jeff King
2018-11-07 22:55                 ` Geert Jansen
2018-11-08 12:02                   ` Jeff King
2018-11-08 20:58                     ` Geert Jansen
2018-11-08 21:18                       ` Jeff King
2018-11-08 21:55                         ` Geert Jansen
2018-11-08 22:20                     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-09 10:11                       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-12 14:31                       ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 14:46                     ` [PATCH 0/9] caching loose objects Jeff King
2018-11-12 14:46                       ` [PATCH 1/9] fsck: do not reuse child_process structs Jeff King
2018-11-12 15:26                         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-12 14:47                       ` [PATCH 2/9] submodule--helper: prefer strip_suffix() to ends_with() Jeff King
2018-11-12 18:23                         ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-12 14:48                       ` [PATCH 3/9] rename "alternate_object_database" to "object_directory" Jeff King
2018-11-12 15:30                         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-12 15:36                           ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 19:41                             ` Ramsay Jones
2018-11-12 14:48                       ` [PATCH 4/9] sha1_file_name(): overwrite buffer instead of appending Jeff King
2018-11-12 15:32                         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-12 14:49                       ` [PATCH 5/9] handle alternates paths the same as the main object dir Jeff King
2018-11-12 15:38                         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-12 15:46                           ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 15:50                             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-12 14:50                       ` [PATCH 6/9] sha1-file: use an object_directory for " Jeff King
2018-11-12 15:48                         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-12 16:09                           ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 19:04                             ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-22 17:42                               ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 18:48                           ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-12 14:50                       ` [PATCH 7/9] object-store: provide helpers for loose_objects_cache Jeff King
2018-11-12 19:24                         ` René Scharfe
2018-11-12 20:16                           ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 14:54                       ` [PATCH 8/9] sha1-file: use loose object cache for quick existence check Jeff King
2018-11-12 16:00                         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-12 16:01                         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2018-11-12 16:21                           ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 22:18                             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-12 22:30                               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-13 10:02                                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-14 18:21                                   ` René Scharfe
2018-12-02 10:52                                   ` René Scharfe
2018-12-03 22:04                                     ` Jeff King
2018-12-04 21:45                                       ` René Scharfe
2018-12-05  4:46                                         ` Jeff King
2018-12-05  6:02                                           ` René Scharfe
2018-12-05  6:51                                             ` Jeff King
2018-12-05  8:15                                               ` Jeff King
2018-12-05 18:41                                                 ` René Scharfe
2018-12-05 20:17                                                   ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 22:44                             ` Geert Jansen
2018-11-27 20:48                         ` René Scharfe
2018-12-01 19:49                           ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 14:55                       ` [PATCH 9/9] fetch-pack: drop custom loose object cache Jeff King
2018-11-12 19:25                         ` René Scharfe
2018-11-12 19:32                           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-12 20:07                             ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 20:13                             ` René Scharfe
2018-11-12 16:02                       ` [PATCH 0/9] caching loose objects Derrick Stolee
2018-11-12 19:10                         ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-09 13:43                   ` [RFC PATCH] index-pack: improve performance on NFS Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-09 16:08                     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-10 14:04                       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-12 14:34                         ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 22:58                     ` Geert Jansen
2018-10-27 14:04         ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-29 15:18           ` Jeff King
2018-10-29  0:48         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-29 15:20           ` Jeff King
2018-10-29 18:43             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-29 21:34           ` Geert Jansen
2018-10-29 21:50             ` Jeff King
2018-10-29 22:21               ` Geert Jansen
2018-10-29 22:27             ` Jeff King
2018-10-29 22:35               ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-29 23:29                 ` Jeff King

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