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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: git <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Bashing freelancers
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 23:32:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sidhoiy4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqq8uf9ye4e.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com> (Junio C. Hamano's message of "Fri, 06 Mar 2015 14:06:57 -0800")

Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:

> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:
>>
>>> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Good work is worth good money. Suggesting that people who are not able
>>>> to work for free are morally inferior is not conducive for a cooperative
>>>> work atmosphere.
>>>
>>> Yes, but I do not think anybody did any such thing.
>>
>> "Of course, I am hoping that all the mentors are doing GSoC not for
>> money but out of love of our software and our community,"
>>
>> Huh.
>
> I did not intend any moral judgement in that statement, but after
> re-reading it, I would say that "not for money" would have been
> better phrased as "not only for money".
>
> Let me clarify.
>
> There _could_ be a mentor who hates Git the software and Git the
> community, who wants to mentor students only for the mentorship
> stipend.

Uh, mentors don't rise from beneath the Earth.  They are project
members.  Do you want to suggest that you suspect those contributors to
have worked on Git, which they hate with a vengeance, only so that they
could cash in on GSoC?  You know the kind of sum we are talking about
here, right?  Pocketing that makes sense only if you feel _indifferent_
about anything but money and are not planning on investing significant
amount of work.  It's too little to do something you actually hate.

> I do not want to see such mentors.  I would imagine that such a person
> surely can find something else that is more enjoyable and do the
> mentoring there for money, if competent enough to mentor others.  And
> that would be good for everybody.

I think Google would prefer a mentor who takes the money and does the
job to someone who hands the money on to some more generic Git account
out of love for the project and community and does not find the time for
actually mentoring his student, but feels sort of ok about it because he
did not in the end take the money.

Someone who hates Git will at least have a solid idea about where Git is
most in need of improvement...

No, I'm not volunteering.  I am merely sick of the income-bashing and
consider it not doing a useful job for Git or other free software.
Particularly not in connection with a program like Google Summer of Code
which is _designed_ to let money make a difference.

-- 
David Kastrup

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-06 22:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-24 22:09 [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris Jeff King
2015-02-24 22:33 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-25  0:47 ` Stefan Beller
2015-02-25  8:18   ` Sebastian Schuberth
2015-03-05 20:53 ` Christian Couder
2015-03-05 22:24   ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-06 10:52     ` Michael J Gruber
2015-03-06 12:55       ` Christian Couder
2015-03-06 17:03         ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-06 17:41           ` Bashing freelancers (was: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris) David Kastrup
2015-03-06 17:48             ` Bashing freelancers Junio C Hamano
2015-03-06 20:52               ` David Kastrup
2015-03-06 22:06                 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-06 22:32                   ` David Kastrup [this message]
2015-03-07 11:48                   ` David Kastrup
2015-03-06 15:57       ` [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris Jeff King
2015-03-06 12:06     ` Christian Couder
2015-03-06 16:02       ` Jeff King
2015-04-05 22:48 ` Thomas Ferris Nicolaisen
2015-04-06 19:08   ` Christian Couder
2015-04-06 20:28     ` Stefan Beller
2015-04-07 13:55       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2015-04-07 15:53         ` Stefan Beller
2015-04-07 18:51     ` Jeff King

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