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From: Toon Claes <toon@iotcl.com>
To: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Martin von Zweigbergk <martinvonz@google.com>
Cc: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>,
	"D. Ben Knoble" <ben.knoble@gmail.com>,
	Remo Senekowitsch <remo@buenzli.dev>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Edwin Kempin <ekempin@google.com>,
	Scott Chacon <scott@gitbutler.com>,
	"philipmetzger@bluewin.ch" <philipmetzger@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Semantics of change IDs (Re: Gerrit, GitButler, and Jujutsu projects collaborating on change-id commit footer)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2025 14:28:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tt4t12c0.fsf@iotcl.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aCJwgWaNoBVjvImJ@tapette.crustytoothpaste.net>

"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net> writes:

> On 2025-05-12 at 21:43:46, Martin von Zweigbergk wrote:
>> Random bytes has worked well for jj.
>
> I would like to suggest that we use a deterministic approach.  People
> rely on Git commits being deterministic, including in my stash
> import/export series[0].  In addition, it's important to avoid any
> allegations of side channels or leaking information in commits, which
> would be a concern in many environments and which a deterministic
> approach would avoid[1].
>
> I'd suggest a simple SHA-256 hash of the original commit data (for both
> SHA-1 and SHA-256 commits, but one that would change to a new hash if we
> added one) or an HMAC-SHA-256 with a fixed and documented key.

I was thinking: you cannot guarantee determinism, because the change-ID
would remain stable, even when if the underlaying data on which it was
generated changes. But on second thought, _some_ determinisn *can* be
useful, for example when different tools try to generate a change-ID for
the same source commit.

> I would also recommend a config option to avoid creating these IDs for
> those who don't want them included for privacy reasons.  I expect to set
> such an option, for instance.

Fair enough.

-- 
Cheers,
Toon

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-06 12:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-02 18:48 Gerrit, GitButler, and Jujutsu projects collaborating on change-id commit footer Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-02 19:34 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-02 19:49   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-04-02 19:45 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-04-02 19:52 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-03  9:09 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-04-03 10:38   ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-03 11:06     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-04-03 15:56   ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-03 16:25     ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-03 16:38       ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-03 21:46         ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-04  9:41     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-04-03 15:39 ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-03 16:40   ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-03 22:11     ` Kane York
2025-04-04  2:28     ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-04  2:40       ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-04  3:47         ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-04  4:03           ` Nico Williams
2025-04-04  4:59           ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-04  5:21             ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-04  9:29               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-04-03 17:48   ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-03 20:31     ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-05  2:09       ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-03 18:10   ` Nico Williams
2025-04-03 21:45     ` Remo Senekowitsch
     [not found]       ` <Z+8GoNrdaJlmNpGm@ubby>
2025-04-04  0:05         ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-04  3:52           ` Nico Williams
2025-04-04  7:41             ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-04 16:08               ` Nico Williams
2025-04-03 22:05     ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-03 22:13       ` Nico Williams
2025-04-03 22:47         ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-04  2:06           ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-04  3:11           ` Nico Williams
2025-04-04  4:08             ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-04  4:23               ` Nico Williams
2025-04-04  9:34                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-04-04 16:04                   ` Nico Williams
2025-04-07  8:00                     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-04-07 20:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-07 21:36   ` Nico Williams
2025-04-08 12:55     ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-08 15:53       ` Nico Williams
2025-04-09 12:19         ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-09 12:56           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-09 19:13             ` Nico Williams
2025-04-10  8:29               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-10 21:40                 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-09 16:54           ` Semantics of change IDs (Re: Gerrit, GitButler, and Jujutsu projects collaborating on change-id commit footer) Nico Williams
2025-04-09 18:02             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-09 18:35               ` Nico Williams
2025-04-09 19:14                 ` Eric Sunshine
2025-04-09 19:31                   ` Nico Williams
2025-04-10 13:44                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-10 16:18                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-11 15:48                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-11 16:38                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-04-11 17:44                       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-12 23:13                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-14 15:13                           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-15 22:30                             ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-16  0:09                               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-16  0:21                               ` Jacob Keller
2025-04-15 21:38                           ` Jacob Keller
2025-04-14 19:54             ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-04-14 21:34               ` Nico Williams
2025-04-15 21:44               ` Jacob Keller
2025-04-16 11:36               ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-22 20:17                 ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-04-22 22:24                   ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-22 22:42                     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-22 22:51                       ` Nico Williams
2025-04-22 23:47                         ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-23  0:32                           ` Nico Williams
2025-04-23  1:15                             ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-23  4:45                               ` Nico Williams
2025-04-22 23:49                         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-23  1:02                           ` Nico Williams
2025-04-23  4:47                             ` Nico Williams
2025-04-22 23:21                       ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-23  5:07                       ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-23 15:51                         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-23 16:19                           ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-06-06 13:04                             ` Toon Claes
     [not found]                   ` <aAgWytQNqtLzg2TU@ubby>
2025-04-23  0:25                     ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-23  0:45                       ` Nico Williams
2025-04-23 12:58                         ` How GitLab does/doesn't need change IDs (was Re: Semantics of change IDs) Toon Claes
2025-04-23 18:59                           ` Nico Williams
2025-05-10 19:32                     ` Semantics of change IDs (Re: Gerrit, GitButler, and Jujutsu projects collaborating on change-id commit footer) D. Ben Knoble
2025-05-10 19:46                       ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-05-10 20:31                         ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-05-12 17:03                           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 17:19                             ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-05-14 14:38                               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-15 10:31                                 ` Oswald Buddenhagen
2025-05-15 16:32                                   ` Jacob Keller
2025-05-15 19:59                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-15 20:10                                       ` Nico Williams
     [not found]                           ` <aCJi+4q6DZhnfdy+@ubby>
2025-05-12 21:43                             ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-05-12 22:04                               ` brian m. carlson
2025-06-06 12:28                                 ` Toon Claes [this message]
2025-06-06 15:44                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-13 21:22                               ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-04-07 22:51   ` Gerrit, GitButler, and Jujutsu projects collaborating on change-id commit footer Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-08  0:10   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-08  5:35     ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-08 14:27       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-08 15:58         ` Phillip Wood
2025-04-08 16:27           ` Nico Williams
2025-04-12 21:32           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-16  0:24         ` Jacob Keller
2025-05-14 15:08         ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-04-08 14:27       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-19 14:04 ` Askar Safin
2025-08-19 16:44   ` Ben Knoble

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