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From: Toon Claes <toon@iotcl.com>
To: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: "Marc Branchaud" <marcnarc@xiplink.com>,
	"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <stolee@gmail.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/5] Introduce git-blame-tree(1) command
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 10:49:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tt5fis4z.fsf@iotcl.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aCbBKj7O9LjO3SMK@pks.im>

Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> writes:

>> On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 01:39:59PM -0400, Marc Branchaud wrote:

> On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 03:30:46PM -0400, Jeff King wrote:
>>
>> The debate has mostly been over "blame" here. 

Okay, I'm happy to move away from "blame".

>> But I think "tree" is also inaccurate. Theoretically it can be about
>> any set of paths in the repo, not just the entries of a single tree.

Totally.

>> So:
>> 
>>   git last-modified Makefile Documentation/Makefile t/Makefile
>> 
>> would be a perfectly valid thing to ask about (and of course a
>> pathspec like '**Makefile' would be a simpler way to do so). The word
>> "tree" was there because the original use case at GitHub was getting
>> those values for all of the entries in a particular tree.
>
> I like "git last-modified". It's name is very telling and it does just
> what it says.

I like `git last-modified` too, but I'm only wondering if it makes sense
if you pass it a revision range:

    git last-modified HEAD~2..HEAD

It kind of still does, but it's a little more questionable.

>> But conceptually it is just about expanding a pathspec into a set of
>> paths, and then traversing and reporting the last time each path was
>> modified. It _almost_ fits into the "git-log" family, which is all about
>> traversing and pathspecs. The output is a bit different, but I almost
>> wonder if it would work as an option to continuously limit the pathspec.
>> Something like:
>> 
>>   $ git log --format=%H --last-modified --raw '**Makefile'
>>   89d557b950c7a0581c12452e8f9576c45546246b
>>   :100644 100644 13f9062a05 c4d21ccd3d M  Makefile
>>   [ skip a bunch of commits that touched only Makefile, nothing else ]
>>   a7fa5b2f0ccb567a5a6afedece113f207902fa6f
>>   :100644 100644 6485d40f62 b109d25e9c M  Documentation/Makefile
>>   [ skip more; now this one is interesting, because one commit touches a
>>     bunch of files! It also touches Documentation/Makefile, but we'd
>>     have already narrowed our pathspec to forget about it by this point ]
>>   5309c1e9fb399c390ed36ef476e91f76f6746fa9
>>   :100644 100644 3e67552cc5 97ce9c92fb M  contrib/credential/libsecret/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 238f5f8c36 0948297e20 M  contrib/credential/osxkeychain/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 6e992c0866 5b795fc9fe M  contrib/credential/wincred/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 f2be7cc924 33c2ccc9f7 M  contrib/diff-highlight/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 5ff5275496 2a98541477 M  contrib/diff-highlight/t/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 4e603512a3 497ac434d6 M  contrib/mw-to-git/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 f422203fa0 6c9f377caa M  contrib/mw-to-git/t/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 52b84ba3d4 691737e76b M  contrib/persistent-https/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 093399c788 2a85f5ee84 M  contrib/subtree/t/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 667c39ed56 6c5a12bc32 M  git-gui/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 749aa2e7ec e656b0d2b0 M  git-gui/po/glossary/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 6911c2915a 4ff4ed0616 M  t/interop/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 e4808aebed 9b3090c4ed M  t/perf/Makefile
>>   :100644 100644 bd1e9e30c1 722755338d M  templates/Makefile
>>   [ ... end immediately without traversing further here, since all
>>     paths have been reported ... ]

I like this idea. I think it makes sense to "commit ABBC touched X, Y, and
Z; and commit BBCD touched xx, and yy; and ...". It makes the output a
lot less verbose.

>> I dunno. I just made that up. The output is obviously quite different
>> than blame-tree produces

I think it depends on who you consider the primary user would be? Or
said differently, whether we mark this new command as plumbing or
porcelain? I would consider it a plumbing command, and that's the main
reason why I'm trying to upstream it: to use it in our tooling at
$DAYJOB. The output you present above is even more obscure than my
proposed git-blame-tree version, making it even more plumbing-like.

>> It is a bit different from regular log, though, in that we'd expand the
>> pathspec at the very start, rather than applying it continuously as we
>> traverse (otherwise we could never end early, since we'd never know if
>> there was a "foo/Makefile" deep in history).
>
> That's the biggest downside from my point of view: it works quite
> differently, so we can expect that many of the options that git-log(1)
> accepts wouldn't make sense at all.

Agreed.

>> So you could argue that "git last-modified" could also just take
>> format and diff output options. ;)
>
> But this one I agree with -- if we had git-last-modified(1), then it
> would eventually make sense to have at least `--format`. I don't have a
> use case for diff output options, but if any come up it could probably
> be added at a later point, as well.

I was planning to add `--format` to git-blame-tree(1) in the future, or
do you think it should be part of the initial version?


-- 
Cheers,
Toon

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-20  8:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-22 17:46 [PATCH RFC 0/5] Introduce git-blame-tree(1) command Toon Claes
2025-04-22 17:46 ` [PATCH RFC 1/5] blame-tree: introduce new subcommand to blame files Toon Claes
2025-04-24 16:19   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-07 13:13     ` Toon Claes
2025-04-22 17:46 ` [PATCH RFC 2/5] t/perf: add blame-tree perf script Toon Claes
2025-04-22 17:46 ` [PATCH RFC 3/5] blame-tree: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-04-22 17:46 ` [PATCH RFC 4/5] blame-tree: implement faster algorithm Toon Claes
2025-04-22 17:46 ` [PATCH RFC 5/5] blame-tree.c: initialize revision machinery without walk Toon Claes
2025-04-23 13:26 ` [PATCH RFC 0/5] Introduce git-blame-tree(1) command Marc Branchaud
2025-05-07 14:22   ` Toon Claes
2025-05-07 20:23     ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-07 20:45       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-08 13:26         ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-08 14:26           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-08 15:12             ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-14 14:42               ` Toon Claes
2025-05-14 19:29                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-14 21:15                   ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-15 13:29                     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-15 16:39                       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-15 17:39                         ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-15 19:30                           ` Jeff King
2025-05-16  4:38                             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-20  8:49                               ` Toon Claes [this message]
2025-05-15 17:30                       ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-16  4:30                         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-14 21:15                 ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-07 20:49       ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-05-08 13:20         ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-05-08 13:26         ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-08 13:18       ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-05-23  9:33 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/5] Introduce git-last-modified(1) command Toon Claes
2025-05-23  9:33   ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/5] last-modified: new subcommand to show when files were last modified Toon Claes
2025-05-25 20:07     ` Justin Tobler
2025-06-05  8:32       ` Toon Claes
2025-05-27 10:39     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-06-13  9:34       ` Toon Claes
2025-06-13  9:52         ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-05-23  9:33   ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/5] t/perf: add last-modified perf script Toon Claes
2025-05-23  9:33   ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/5] last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-05-27 10:40     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-06-13 11:05       ` Toon Claes
2025-05-23  9:33   ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/5] last-modified: implement faster algorithm Toon Claes
2025-05-27 10:39     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-23  9:33   ` [PATCH RFC v2 5/5] last-modified: initialize revision machinery without walk Toon Claes
2025-05-27 10:39     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-01 20:35   ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/5] Introduce git-last-modified(1) command Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-07-01 21:06     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-01 21:30       ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-07-02 13:00         ` Toon Claes
2025-07-09 15:53           ` Toon Claes
2025-07-09 17:00             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-06-30 18:49 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/3] " Toon Claes
2025-06-30 18:49   ` [PATCH RFC v3 1/3] last-modified: new subcommand to show when files were last modified Toon Claes
2025-07-01 20:20     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-07-02 11:51     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-06-30 18:49   ` [PATCH RFC v3 2/3] t/perf: add last-modified perf script Toon Claes
2025-06-30 18:49   ` [PATCH RFC v3 3/3] last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-07-01 23:01   ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/3] Introduce git-last-modified(1) command Junio C Hamano
2025-07-09 15:26   ` [PATCH v4 " Toon Claes
2025-07-09 21:57     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-10 18:37       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-16 13:32     ` [PATCH v5 0/6] " Toon Claes
2025-07-16 13:35       ` [PATCH v5 1/6] last-modified: new subcommand to show when files were last modified Toon Claes
2025-07-18  0:02         ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-19  6:44           ` Jeff King
2025-07-22 15:50           ` Toon Claes
2025-08-01  9:09           ` Christian Couder
2025-08-01 16:59             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-16 13:35       ` [PATCH v5 2/6] t/perf: add last-modified perf script Toon Claes
2025-07-18  0:08         ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-22 15:52           ` Toon Claes
2025-07-16 13:35       ` [PATCH v5 3/6] last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-07-18  0:16         ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-22 16:02           ` Toon Claes
2025-07-16 13:35       ` [PATCH v5 4/6] pretty: allow caller to disable indentation Toon Claes
2025-07-16 15:50         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-17 16:31           ` Toon Claes
2025-07-16 13:35       ` [PATCH v5 5/6] last-modified: support --extended format Toon Claes
2025-07-16 16:09         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-17 16:31           ` Toon Claes
2025-07-17 22:37         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-18 17:36           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-22 16:06             ` Toon Claes
2025-07-16 13:42       ` [PATCH v5 6/6] fixup! last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-07-17 23:39       ` [PATCH v5 0/6] Introduce git-last-modified(1) command Taylor Blau
2025-07-22 15:35         ` Toon Claes
2025-07-30 17:59           ` Toon Claes
2025-07-31  7:45             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-30 17:55       ` [PATCH v6 0/4] " Toon Claes
2025-07-31 18:40         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-31 23:57           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-05  9:33         ` [PATCH v7 0/3] " Toon Claes
2025-08-05 14:34           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-05 16:21             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-05 16:34           ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-05 16:55             ` Toon Claes
2025-08-05 17:20               ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2025-08-05 21:46                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-06 12:01                   ` Toon Claes
2025-08-06 15:38                     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-28 22:44                       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-05 18:28               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-05  9:33         ` [PATCH v7 1/3] last-modified: new subcommand to show when files were last modified Toon Claes
2025-08-05  9:33         ` [PATCH v7 2/3] t/perf: add last-modified perf script Toon Claes
2025-08-05  9:33         ` [PATCH v7 3/3] last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-07-30 17:55       ` [PATCH v6 1/4] last-modified: new subcommand to show when files were last modified Toon Claes
2025-07-31  6:42         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-01 16:22           ` Toon Claes
2025-08-01 17:09             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-04  6:34               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04 17:14                 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-05  5:35                   ` Toon Claes
2025-08-01 20:34             ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2025-08-05  5:36               ` Toon Claes
2025-08-04  6:33             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-01 10:18         ` Christian Couder
2025-08-01 10:22           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-01 17:06             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-02  8:18               ` Christian Couder
2025-08-02 11:31                 ` Christian Couder
2025-08-02 13:38                   ` Christian Couder
2025-08-02 16:26                     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-04  6:35               ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-30 17:55       ` [PATCH v6 2/4] t/perf: add last-modified perf script Toon Claes
2025-07-30 17:55       ` [PATCH v6 3/4] commit-graph: export prepare_commit_graph() Toon Claes
2025-07-31  6:42         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-30 17:55       ` [PATCH v6 4/4] last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-07-31  6:43         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-01 16:23           ` Toon Claes
2025-08-04  6:33             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-09 15:26   ` [PATCH v4 1/3] last-modified: new subcommand to show when files were last modified Toon Claes
2025-07-09 15:26   ` [PATCH v4 2/3] t/perf: add last-modified perf script Toon Claes
2025-07-09 15:26   ` [PATCH v4 3/3] last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-07-16 13:35   ` [PATCH v5 6/6] fixup! " Toon Claes

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