From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78306C49EA4 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6092561468 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231276AbhFONab (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:30:31 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:54258 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231379AbhFONaZ (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:30:25 -0400 Received: from mail-qt1-x831.google.com (mail-qt1-x831.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::831]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACC85C0617AF for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 06:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x831.google.com with SMTP id t9so11176692qtw.7 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 06:28:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G7HcbRS7gtYhuKE3hOfGgCcqM/r8zzomtKRmuw/bU8M=; b=OPiaZ8VPMr0RF6mtd8vgUGyvOAkaUoHdhMpgyzbG702fUO8yWdHs+bUu/K52NysGvB TrAYyJp+HPdHJgYwHSdDk8Btdvxcl364bt3afN3dB9oUTnyfu+R5QgSRQyDnJ4WJ0z+k I65XsqlbTJMmfv3tOaLRWodB9sTrz6lVxcpYxrxKGmakbOgvjkAloXolgDhZ8YDmVuJ8 IkKJM7Tuc5jdeYSJ0+JK2ITimB8+qpcvP2x2NjjmHT6OOkwi5+4Z3kSg64K5oXDpc8u1 pHWstGzja0CNly/rxFPABPcIbqO16YXqpg/l66RQge6YSjWGVtLozWqldFhGTZ0d4deJ hKEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=G7HcbRS7gtYhuKE3hOfGgCcqM/r8zzomtKRmuw/bU8M=; b=WDvKptkX5HbwMcVK6bHJRvzuANXEmGsUM+C7OfobAlnfpwz2SxBKLbXB2Lnbyl1sFg zCQDWONeXUTbSPYkgxBRDs3D8D7iYivjj0esS9Rnm1PXmX/zkD2DH7lyXdDY9korRxES 9LDT0tqswGx5+XmBkqBJdqWjlkEoIkKpr76byQnDoihgtmBYLuMgXdFZF9z9RRe1q7LQ dhlFp3Xg8gBZJq1xBI8IS2O62+ceSDjaYvbETm75ow7RD1ENQGih1VEE6KcFgntOqHt2 yNou1duWGDQQhRjKPhK7IFhjAWL+Xg3codXVvozkV6mWdkX5zhQxMHHQo0NqTEb0dBpr uhPA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532d5u1CMTw4aRQdbuGSdUMQU0g3YVJAc06sWUAQ5hxOyReRwh6a 9YUrRbv//DIhMXmuJXGLAMI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyOC5zsJ+ghH/wbVhaOdrX29hApWzSwzTLAAaDCJ9oUF76PRDDufcw2wg4y0HqAt0dSqceDow== X-Received: by 2002:aed:2064:: with SMTP id 91mr12105722qta.318.1623763699619; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 06:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:1700:e72:80a0:113f:4437:94ed:3bef? ([2600:1700:e72:80a0:113f:4437:94ed:3bef]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h12sm11790547qkj.52.2021.06.15.06.28.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Jun 2021 06:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: avoid using the gender of other people To: Felipe Contreras , git@vger.kernel.org Cc: =?UTF-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsCBCamFybWFzb24=?= , Junio C Hamano , Derrick Stolee References: <20210611202819.47077-1-felipe.contreras@gmail.com> <20210611202819.47077-2-felipe.contreras@gmail.com> From: Derrick Stolee Message-ID: <94848796-1a7f-e1d2-fcf7-5e6f5f361f2a@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:28:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210611202819.47077-2-felipe.contreras@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On 6/11/2021 4:28 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > Some people have a problem with using a female reviewer or a female > developer as an example, and since this is an irrelevant detail, let's > say goodbye to our illustrative female colleagues. I find this message to be snarky and underhanded instead of actually describing the goals at hand. Citing the reason as stated is _not_ the purpose of these gender-neutral recommendations. Instead, a message such as this could apply: Using gendered pronouns for an anonymous person applies a gender where none is known, and further excludes readers who do not use gendered pronouns. Avoid such examples in the documentation by using "they" or passive voice to avoid the need for a pronoun. The textual edits in the patch are correct. -Stolee