From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Felipe Contreras" Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:15:08 +0300 Message-ID: <94a0d4530808280615i2befb89cm7d6153bfceb11b19@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080826145719.GB5046@coredump.intra.peff.net> <7vr68b8q9p.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <20080827001705.GG23698@parisc-linux.org> <7v63pmkozh.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <1219907659.7107.230.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <7vtzd5fta0.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <1219912327.7107.245.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <94a0d4530808280157p230d289dlf0c85cd517541801@mail.gmail.com> <20080828115408.GA30834@hera.kernel.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "David Woodhouse" , "Matthew Wilcox" , "Johannes Schindelin" , users@kernel.org, "Jeff King" , "Junio C Hamano" , git@vger.kernel.org To: "Al Viro" X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu Aug 28 15:16:22 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYhMJ-0006bV-Rq for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:16:20 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752558AbYH1NPM (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:15:12 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752411AbYH1NPL (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:15:11 -0400 Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com ([209.85.198.228]:44016 "EHLO rv-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752112AbYH1NPJ (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:15:09 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so394913rvb.1 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:15:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=vqOxy9B/lYzQG97uWbkclUpXcSa/kMvYhS9i97gBk9c=; b=GbThKEae2oGpFKKeShYLBtADhZkXaL5gryGRxhFrBwI36MvWG8fNZqN1Sp0w0/2t5V DUvM5JMWyKrGgETqQP6S1vSRzjQWHaocfyjPnKdJ99gjn6JybaIFEiw3S8K/SI8gBSfi o/ftErouDWK0/dUwEdA0bV8IBMkZScXVdlNZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Dui2ZbfLhTRHXONYzeuAy3D+tsrbwdLI8YIV3Rba8PfyiQ3Q2VSl7s8xbVK8sAgWcJ 1VTbvwu+KuEkuWgQpQ0H5u+hysSQZ7Jqbepuw+C8nHA1O2jUVS/hOSAyyJezZjLJt0Gy NUhbR8RmniV0rzbGQms89Zh8KA5vRjcQ1HGFE= Received: by 10.141.27.16 with SMTP id e16mr712888rvj.136.1219929308843; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.166.19 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:15:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20080828115408.GA30834@hera.kernel.org> Content-Disposition: inline Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Al Viro wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:57:56AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: > >> The masses should forget about the git-foo form. If you push people >> into using git-foo then you are not following git guidelines; you >> would be pushing your own agenda. > > Egads... For sarcasm it's far too heavy-handed and if that's for real... > What's next, verbal diarrhea about Diluting the Message(tm)? Sorry, I guess I should have made it clearer. I haven't made my mind about git-foo vs "git foo", but a decision has been made to deprecate git-foo, and allow it as an option for the people that really want to use it, right? So there must have been a reason to deprecate git-foo, if people keep using git-foo, and distributions keep allowing it, what's the point of deprecation? It's ok if they keep that usage to themselves, like 'alias ll = ls -l', but it's not something to assume everybody uses. So either we take back the decision and keep discussing if it's a good idea to deprecate git-foo, or we go forward and discourage git-foo completely. Anything in the middle would just confuse people more, and wouldn't achieve the purpose of deprecation. If some script is relying on git-foo, and it has been deprecated, it should be fixed. Best regards. -- Felipe Contreras