git.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: David Abrahams <dave@boostpro.com>,
	Michael Witten <mfwitten@gmail.com>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [doc] User Manual Suggestion
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:35:38 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <94a0d4530904250335w7a88c4d6lafd12a8ce6f98127@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090424185208.GM17365@fieldses.org>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:52 PM, J. Bruce Fields <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:
> That would be great, thanks.  Several people have gone off and posted
> their own tutorials someplace, and that's fine, but it would be
> especially helpful if you could contribute to the actual Documentation/
> directory.  That may mean arguing with people and making compromises.
> But it also means the results will be distributed with git, will be
> integrated with other git documentation, and will get first-class
> technical review.
>
> I'd also encourage incrementally improving existing documentation where
> possible instead of starting over from scratch.  But having broken that
> rule myself a couple times I'm hardly in a position to insist.  If you
> must start over, at least think about how to replace or fit it in with
> existing documentation.

People will continue to write git documentation from scratch because
there is a huge gap from the top-bottom approach to a point where you
actually "get git", and people are trying to find short-cuts so that
other people can really get it too.

I spent years using git simply repeating the templates I had seen in
multiple places until I stumbled upon "git from the bottom up" and
then I finally understood the beauty and simplicity of git's design.
From that point I understood why many command didn't do what I
expected.

Note that "bottom" doesn't mean plumbing, the "plumbing" is usually
referred to the git.git tools, but you can work with git low-level
objects through your own implementation as people like Scott Chacon
have indeed done (git-ruby). "bottom" then means git basic building
blocks: blobs, trees, commits, refs.

Ideally the UI should expose the basic concepts of git, but instead
its is hiding them, so no wonder people *need* special documentation
to 'understand git conceptually', or learn 'git from the bottom up',
etc.

-- 
Felipe Contreras

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-25 10:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-22 19:38 [doc] User Manual Suggestion David Abrahams
2009-04-23 17:57 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-23 18:37   ` Michael Witten
2009-04-23 20:16     ` Jeff King
2009-04-23 20:45       ` Michael Witten
2009-04-23 21:31         ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24  0:31           ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 14:18           ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 14:20             ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-24 17:28             ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 18:15               ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 19:00                 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 20:24                   ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 21:06                     ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 22:45                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-25  0:39                         ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 23:35                           ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-24 14:11         ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 14:30           ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 14:33             ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 15:04             ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 15:18               ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 17:38                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-24 18:27                   ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 18:35                     ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                   ` <34BD51FF-0908-48A8-BBBC-E27B0EFB32E5@boostpro.com>
2009-04-24 18:52                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-25 10:35                       ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2009-04-24 19:12                   ` Michael Witten
2009-04-23 21:26       ` David Abrahams
2009-04-23 22:51         ` Johan Herland
2009-04-24  0:30           ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 20:30             ` Johan Herland
2009-04-24 21:34               ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-24 21:38                 ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 22:18                   ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 22:25                     ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:11                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-24 23:14                         ` Jeff King
2009-04-24 23:18                           ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:31                           ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:35                             ` Jeff King
2009-04-25  0:19                               ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 10:18                           ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-24 23:26                         ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 18:55                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-25 19:16                             ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25 19:24                               ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-25 19:36                                 ` David Abrahams
2009-04-25 20:53                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2009-04-26 11:28                                   ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-26 13:55                                     ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 17:56                                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-26 20:17                                         ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 22:25                                           ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-27  1:41                                             ` David Abrahams
2009-04-27 16:30                                             ` David Abrahams
2009-04-27 16:52                                               ` Michael Witten
2009-04-26 16:36                                     ` Michael Witten
2009-04-26 18:12                                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-26 20:20                                         ` David Abrahams
2009-04-25  0:41                         ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 23:16                     ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-25  0:01                       ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25  0:48                         ` David Abrahams
2009-04-26 22:42                           ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-02 15:53                         ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-02 18:36                           ` Michael Witten
2009-05-02 21:11                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-02 23:13                               ` Michael Witten
2009-05-02 23:32                                 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-03  1:10                                   ` Michael Witten
2009-05-03  1:48                                     ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-05-03  1:18                                 ` Mark Lodato
2009-05-03  1:26                                   ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24 23:21                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-04-24 23:25                     ` Jeff King
2009-04-26 23:41                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-24 23:29                     ` Michael Witten
2009-04-27  0:00                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-25  0:19                   ` David Abrahams
2009-04-25  0:26                     ` Michael Witten
2009-04-25  0:35                     ` Jeff King
2009-04-25  0:53                       ` David Abrahams
2009-04-29  6:34                         ` Jeff King
2009-04-29 13:27                           ` David Abrahams
2009-04-29 14:05                             ` Jeff King
2009-04-24  2:29     ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-04-24  2:34       ` Michael Witten
2009-04-24  4:06       ` David Abrahams
2009-04-24 14:10         ` J. Bruce Fields

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=94a0d4530904250335w7a88c4d6lafd12a8ce6f98127@mail.gmail.com \
    --to=felipe.contreras@gmail.com \
    --cc=bfields@fieldses.org \
    --cc=dave@boostpro.com \
    --cc=git@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=mfwitten@gmail.com \
    --cc=peff@peff.net \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).