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From: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	david@lang.hm, Nicolas Sebrecht <nicolas.s-dev@laposte.net>,
	"Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@gentoo.org>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Shawn O. Pearce" <spearce@spearce.org>
Subject: Re: Performance issue: initial git clone causes massive repack
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:37:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9e4733910904060737k3d1c082fk785cd98cdeb6d73d@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0904060959250.6741@xanadu.home>

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Jon Smirl wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
>> > Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org> writes:
>> >
>> >> What git-pack-objects does in this case is not a full repack.  It
>> >> instead _reuse_ as much of the existing packs as possible, and only does
>> >> the heavy packing processing for loose objects and/or inter pack
>> >> boundaryes when gluing everything together for streaming over the net.
>> >> If for example you have a single pack because your repo is already fully
>> >> packed, then the "packing operation" involved during a clone should
>> >> merely copy the existing pack over with no further attempt at delta
>> >> compression.
>> >
>> > One possibile scenario that you still need to spend memory and cycle is if
>> > the cloned repository was packed to an excessive depth to cause many of
>> > its objects to be in deltified form on insanely deep chains, while cloning
>> > send-pack uses a depth that is more reasonable.  Then pack-objects invoked
>> > by send-pack is not allowed to reuse most of the objects and would end up
>> > redoing the delta on them.
>>
>> That seems broken. You went through all of the trouble to make the
>> pack file smaller to reduce transmission time, and then clone undoes
>> the work.
>
> And as I already explained, this is indeed not what happens.
>
>> What about making a very simple special case for an initial clone?
>
> There should not be any need for initial clone hacks.
>
>> First thing an initial clone does is copy all of the pack files from
>> the server to the client without even looking at them.
>
> This is a no go for reasons already stated many times.  There are
> security implications (those packs might contain stuff that you didn't
> intend to be publically accessible) and there might be efficiency
> reasons as well (you might have a shared object store with lots of stuff
> unrelated to the particular clone).

How do you deal with dense history packs? These packs take many hours
to make (on a server class machine) and can be half the size of a
regular pack. Shouldn't there be a way to copy these packs intact on
an initial clone? It's ok if these packs are specially marked as being
ok to copy.

>
> The biggest cost right now when cloning a big packed repo is object
> enumeration.  Any other issues related to memory costs in the GB range
> simply has no reason for it, and is mostly due to misconfigurations or
> bugs that have to be fixed.  Trying to work around the issue by all
> sorts of hacks is simply counter productive.
>
> In the case that started this very thread, I suspect that a small
> misfeature of some delta caching might be the culprit.  I asked Robin H.
> Johnson to perform a really simple config addition to his repo and
> retest, for which we still haven't seen any results yet.
>
>
> Nicolas
>



-- 
Jon Smirl
jonsmirl@gmail.com

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-06 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-04 22:07 Performance issue: initial git clone causes massive repack Robin H. Johnson
2009-04-05  0:05 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2009-04-05  0:37   ` Robin H. Johnson
2009-04-05  3:54     ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2009-04-05  4:08       ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2009-04-05  7:04       ` Robin H. Johnson
2009-04-05 19:02         ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2009-04-05 19:17           ` Shawn O. Pearce
2009-04-05 23:02             ` Robin H. Johnson
2009-04-05 20:43           ` Robin H. Johnson
2009-04-05 21:08             ` Shawn O. Pearce
2009-04-05 21:28           ` david
2009-04-05 21:36             ` Sverre Rabbelier
2009-04-06  3:24               ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-07  8:10                 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-07  9:45                   ` Jakub Narebski
2009-04-07 13:13                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-07 13:37                       ` Jakub Narebski
2009-04-07 14:03                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-04-07 17:59                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-07 14:21                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-07 17:48                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-07 18:12                           ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-07 18:56                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-07 20:27                               ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-08  4:52                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-10 20:38                                   ` Robin H. Johnson
2009-04-11  1:58                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-11  7:06                                       ` Mike Hommey
2009-04-14 15:52                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-04-14 20:17                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-14 20:27                                         ` Robin H. Johnson
2009-04-14 21:02                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-15  3:09                                           ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2009-04-15  5:53                                             ` Robin H. Johnson
2009-04-15  5:54                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2009-04-15 11:51                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-22  1:15                                           ` Sam Vilain
2009-04-22  9:55                                             ` Mike Ralphson
2009-04-22 11:24                                               ` Pieter de Bie
2009-04-22 13:19                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-04-22 14:35                                                 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2009-04-22 16:40                                                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2009-04-22 17:06                                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-04-23 19:30                                               ` Christian Couder
2009-04-22 14:14                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-22 22:01                                               ` Sam Vilain
2009-04-22 22:50                                                 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-22 23:07                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-22 23:30                                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-04-23  3:16                                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-14 20:30                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-04-07 20:29                             ` Jeff King
2009-04-07 20:35                               ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-08 11:28                       ` [PATCH] process_{tree,blob}: Remove useless xstrdup calls Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-10 22:20                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11  0:27                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11  1:15                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11  1:34                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-11 13:41                               ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-11 14:07                                 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-11 18:06                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11 18:22                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11 19:22                                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-11 20:50                                     ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-11 21:43                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11 23:24                                         ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-11 18:19                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11 19:40                                     ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-04-11 19:58                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-05 22:59             ` Performance issue: initial git clone causes massive repack Nicolas Sebrecht
2009-04-05 23:20               ` david
2009-04-05 23:28                 ` Robin Rosenberg
2009-04-06  3:34                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-06  5:15                   ` Junio C Hamano
2009-04-06 13:12                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-06 13:52                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-04-06 14:19                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-06 14:37                         ` Jon Smirl [this message]
2009-04-06 14:48                           ` Shawn O. Pearce
2009-04-06 15:14                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-06 15:28                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-04-06 16:14                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-06 11:22                   ` Matthieu Moy
2009-04-06 13:29                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-06 14:03                       ` Robin H. Johnson
2009-04-06 14:14                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-07 10:11               ` Martin Langhoff
2009-04-05 19:57 ` Jeff King
2009-04-05 23:38   ` Robin H. Johnson
2009-04-05 23:42     ` Robin H. Johnson
     [not found]     ` <0015174c150e49b5740466d7d2c2@google.com>
2009-04-06  0:29       ` Robin H. Johnson
2009-04-06  3:10     ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2009-04-06  4:09       ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-06  4:06     ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-04-06 14:20       ` Robin H. Johnson
2009-04-11 17:24 ` Mark Levedahl

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