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From: Jay Soffian <jaysoffian@gmail.com>
To: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] Add log.abbrevCommit config variable
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 03:18:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTimCUU=CNiVnka79n=OKki0wQQtQCA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110516070047.GA26270@elie>

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose part of what Junio is saying is that by the time the commits
> referenced above were written, git had already broken some scripts
> (including gitk) and those changes were part of a desparate attempt to
> contain the damage.  So they are not a great example to look to for
> the sort of smooth transition it is possible to set up proactively.

Well, then why wasn't the change simply reverted?

> For example, maybe (after fixing the scripts we already know about,
> such as tig) we could add the log.abbrevcommit variable right away but
> advertise it as experimental:
>
>        *Warning* This option is experimental and will break your
>        scripts.  It is only provided to give script authors a
>        chance to test this functionality and fix their scripts
>        before the feature is advertised in earnest.
>
> One transition plan could look like this:
>
>  1. In the release notes to v1.7.6, mention that there is a change
>    on the horizon that would break people's scripts and encourage
>    script authors to switch to "rev-list | diff-tree -s --stdin"
>    if their scripts depend on the details of "git log" format
>    (in particular, if their scripts do not work correctly after
>    s/log/log --abbrev-commit/).  Introduce the log.abbrevcommit
>    variable to help people test, guarded by a compile-time
>    option and disabled by default.
>
>  2. In v1.7.7, introduce the log.abbrevcommit variable, advertised
>    as "This will break your system --- don't use it unless you
>    are trying to find such breakage and fix it".
>
>  3. In v1.8.0, introduce the variable in earnest and recommend
>    that people use it.
>
> I think step 1 is going too far --- it should be possible to give
> users rope like this without worrying that they are going to be
> irresponsible about it.
>
> Now, returning to "log --pretty=raw".  Is it plumbing or not?  It
> would be nice to advertise whichever way it is decided (I guess it is
> de facto plumbing) in the "git log" reference documentation and to
> follow that decision in cases like this one.

To my mind, we call "--pretty=raw" de-facto plumbing and keep the
change as is. Though perhaps, there is a cleaner implementation if we
say that --pretty=raw is indeed plumbing.

> Thanks for some food for thought.

And here I thought this was a simple one. :-(

j.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-16  7:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-14 17:22 [PATCH] Add log.abbrev-commit config option Jay Soffian
2011-05-14 17:26 ` Jay Soffian
2011-05-14 19:01 ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-05-14 19:35   ` Jay Soffian
2011-05-14 20:19     ` [PATCH] add, merge, diff: do not use strcasecmp to compare config variable names Jonathan Nieder
2011-05-15  1:53       ` Junio C Hamano
2011-05-14 20:47   ` [PATCH v2] Add log.abbrevCommit config variable Jay Soffian
2011-05-14 21:55     ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-05-14 22:22       ` Jay Soffian
2011-05-14 22:49         ` [PATCH v3] " Jay Soffian
2011-05-15 13:25           ` Jay Soffian
2011-05-15 22:42           ` Junio C Hamano
2011-05-16  5:53             ` Jay Soffian
2011-05-16  7:00               ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-05-16  7:18                 ` Jay Soffian [this message]
2011-05-17 17:03                 ` Junio C Hamano
2011-05-17 21:50                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-05-18  1:05                     ` Jay Soffian
2011-05-17 18:50           ` Junio C Hamano
2011-05-17 19:08             ` Jay Soffian
2011-05-15  1:48   ` [PATCH] Add log.abbrev-commit config option Junio C Hamano
2011-05-16  8:24     ` Michael J Gruber

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