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From: Michael Nahas <mike.nahas@gmail.com>
To: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Command-line interface thoughts
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:17:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTinTWG7YXGKZzmH0rqtt+Ob7X+2yMQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikTWx7A64vN+hVZgL7cuiZ16Eobgg@mail.gmail.com>

Quick list of recommendations:

1. Pick aliases for the next commit and the working tree that act like
commits on the command-line.
2. Adopt a (semi-)formal notation for describing what commands do.
3. Move the operations "checkout -- <file>" and "reset -- <file>" to
their own command names
4. Deemphasize the "branch" command for creating branches.

A "normal" (long) email follows.  At the end are examples of commands
in a not-quite-so-formal notation.

I AM NOT ON THE MAILING LIST - PLEASE CC ME ON REPLIES.


------------

I was the primary designer of the PAR2 open file format and write a
lot of big software (application-layer multicast, etc.).  I've been
using Git for 2 months.  I love it and I greatly admire the plumbing.
However, the default "porcelain" has at times been more confusing than
enlightening.

I had some ideas about the porcelain and decided they were worth
sending to the mailing list.  I ran the ideas by the two Git gurus who
answer my questions and they agreed with them.  I wish I had the time
to implement them but I did PAR2 when I had time off and I'm working
now.  I apologize if any of these are repeats or have already been
discussed to death.


My recommendations are:

1. Pick aliases for the next commit and the working tree that act like
commits on the command-line.

By "next commit", I mean "the commit that would be generated if the
"commit" command was run right now".  "Next commit" is not the same as
the index.  The index is a _file_ that serves multiple purposes.
(Think of it's state during a conflicted merge.)  But the index does
usually hold the files that change between HEAD and the next commit.

For the alias for the next commit and working tree, I suggest "NEXT"
and "WTREE".  Creating these aliases will make the interface more
regular. It will remove oddities like "diff --cached FOO" and replace
them with "diff NEXT FOO" and mean that "diff" and "diff FOO" can be
explained as "diff WTREE NEXT" and "diff WTREE FOO".


2. Adopt a notation for describing what commands do.

I am sure in developer discussions there are descriptions of the
"commit" command as something like:
   HEAD = new(HEAD + (NEXT-HEAD))
   NEXT = HEAD

Where "-" creates a patch between versions and + applys a patch.  Git
already has some operators like "^", which refers to the parent of a
commit. Those are useful for defining things like "commit --amend":
   HEAD = new(HEAD^ + (NEXT-HEAD^))
   NEXT = HEAD

Having this notation and using it in the man pages will make the exact
nature of the operation clear. (Right now, it takes a lot of reading
to figure out what happens to NEXT with the various command-line
options of "reset".)

Currently, to understand what commands do, I use "A Visual Git
Reference", which has been extremely valuable to me. Kuddos to Mark
Lodato for it.
http://marklodato.github.com/visual-git-guide/index-en.html

[I've included git commands in a not-formal-enough notation at the end
of this email.]


3. Move the operations "checkout -- <file>" and "reset -- <file>" to
their own command names

This is my biggest and most important suggestion.

"checkout -- foo.txt" copies foo.txt from NEXT to WTREE. Similarly,
"reset -- foo.txt" will copy foo.txt from HEAD to NEXT.

These are operations to designate/undesignate files in the next commit
and should be grouped with others like them: "add", "rm" and "mv". (In
fact, the man page for "reset -- <file>" even says that it is the
opposite of "add"!)

When these file-based operations are removed from "checkout" and
"reset", the purposes of those commands becomes clearer: "checkout"
changes HEAD to a new branch and "reset" moves the current branch
pointer to a different commit.  These operations may share code with
the operations "checkout -- <file>" and "reset -- <file>", but they
serve different purposes from the user's perspective and the user
should have different names to refer to them.

As for naming these new commands, the "yet-another-porcelain" renames
"reset -- <file>" to "unadd", which I like very much.  For the other,
my best suggestion is "head-to-next", but I'm sure someone can do
better.


4. Deemphasize the "branch" command for creating branches.

I assumed that the command "branch" was used for creating branches.
After all, that's how it is done in the "gittutorial(7)" man page.
However, after reviewing all the major commands, I find that it is the
_last_ way I want to create a branch. It creates a new branch, but it
doesn't switch HEAD to the new branch!

The commands that should be emphasized are "checkout -b <name>",
"commit -b <name>", and "stash branch".  These make sense in normal
git usage. The "branch" command has its uses but it is not usually the
way you want to create a branch.


These are my suggestions.  I wish i had time to implement them, but
I'm glad to help in the discussion of them.  I'm not on the mailing
list, so PLEASE CC ME WITH ANY REPLIES.

Michael Nahas


----

These are just some commands written in a not-quite-formal notation.
This notation doesn't handle a detached head, adding directories, the
state after a conflicted "stash pop", etc.  Still, as it is, I think
it's very informative to users for getting the gist of what command
does.

"add foo.txt"
   NEXT:foo.txt = WTREE:foo.txt
"rm foo.txt"
   delete(NEXT:foo.txt)
   delete(WTREE:foo.txt)
"rm --cached foo.txt"
   delete(NEXT:foo.txt)
"/bin/rm foo.txt"
   delete(WTREE:foo.txt)
"mv foo.txt bar.txt"
   WTREE:bar.txt = WTREE:foo.txt
   NEXT.bar.txt = WTREE:foo.txt
   delete(WTREE:foo.txt)
   delete(NEXT:foo.txt)
"checkout -- foo.txt"
   WTREE:foo.txt = NEXT:foo.txt
"reset -- foo.txt"
   NEXT:foo.txt = HEAD:foo.txt

"commit"
   HEAD = new(HEAD + (NEXT-HEAD))
   NEXT = HEAD
"commit --amend"
   HEAD = new(HEAD^ + (NEXT-HEAD^))
   NEXT = HEAD

"checkout FOO" (prequires WTREE==NEXT==HEAD)
   WTREE = FOO
   NEXT = FOO
   HEAD ::= FOO // changes the alias of HEAD to refer to FOO

"reset --soft FOO"
   HEAD = FOO // move branch; don't change alias
"reset --mixed FOO" (the default)
   NEXT = FOO
   HEAD = FOO // move branch; don't change alias
"reset --hard FOO"
   WTREE = FOO
   NEXT = FOO
   HEAD = FOO // move branch; don't change alias

"stash save"
   STASH = new(new(HEAD+(NEXT-HEAD))+WTREE-NEXT)
   NEXT = HEAD
   WTREE = HEAD
   push(STASH)
"stash pop"
   STASH = pop()
   WTREE = HEAD + (STASH-STASH^^)
   NEXT = HEAD + (STASH^-STASH^^)

"branch FOO"
   FOO = HEAD
"commit -b FOO"
   FOO = new(HEAD + (NEXT-HEAD))
   NEXT = FOO
   HEAD ::= FOO // change alias
"checkout -b FOO" (prequires WTREE==NEXT==HEAD)
   FOO = HEAD // create FOO and make it a copy of HEAD
   WTREE = FOO
   NEXT = FOO
   HEAD ::= FOO // change alias
"stash branch FOO"
   STASH = pop()
   FOO = STASH^^ // create FOO and make it a copy of STASH^^
   NEXT = STASH^
   WTREE = STASH
   HEAD ::= FOO // change alias

"merge FOO" (prequires NEXT=HEAD)
   [ANC is the nearest common ancestor]
   WTREE = ANC + (WTREE - ANC) + (FOO-ANC)
   NEXT = ANC + (HEAD - ANC) + (FOO-ANC)
   HEAD = new(HEAD + (NEXT-HEAD))
   NEXT = HEAD
"cherry-pick FOO" (prequires WTREE==NEXT==HEAD)
   HEAD = new(HEAD + (FOO - FOO^))
   NEXT = HEAD
   WTREE = HEAD
"rebase FOO" is basically a iterated application of "cherry-pick"

       reply	other threads:[~2011-06-04 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <BANLkTikTWx7A64vN+hVZgL7cuiZ16Eobgg@mail.gmail.com>
2011-06-04 16:17 ` Michael Nahas [this message]
2011-06-04 21:49   ` Command-line interface thoughts Jakub Narebski
2011-06-05  1:00     ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-05 11:10       ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-05 18:39         ` Scott Chacon
2011-06-05 23:37           ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-06  6:16           ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-06  7:34             ` Michael J Gruber
2011-06-06 11:45               ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-06 12:19               ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-06 13:20                 ` Michael J Gruber
2011-06-08 13:10                   ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-06 16:23                 ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-06 16:40                   ` Drew Northup
2011-06-06 14:00               ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-06 14:16                 ` Michael J Gruber
2011-06-06 16:14                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-06 17:42                     ` Scott Chacon
2011-06-06 19:01                       ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                         ` <BANLkTi=yytzDrJLvVn_ZhJOiQs-rqvKi1w@mail.gmail.com>
2011-06-07  2:31                           ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-07  4:03                             ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-07 11:04                               ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-07  6:11                     ` Michael J Gruber
2011-06-07 11:45                       ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-06-07 19:00                         ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-07 19:11                           ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-06-07 20:33                             ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-08 13:04                               ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-08 18:56                                 ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09 11:55                                   ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-10 16:44                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-10 18:07                                       ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-10 18:35                                         ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-10 22:45                                           ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-13  3:43                                             ` git diff --added (Re: Command-line interface thoughts) Jonathan Nieder
2011-06-13  4:11                                               ` Miles Bader
2011-06-13  4:46                                                 ` Miles Bader
2011-06-13  8:06                                                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-06-13 12:55                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-13 12:28                                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-13 19:47                                                   ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-13 20:31                                                     ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-13 10:15                                             ` Command-line interface thoughts Jakub Narebski
2011-06-13 22:33                                               ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-14  4:21                                               ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-14  7:51                                                 ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-07 19:34                         ` René Scharfe
2011-06-07 19:38                           ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-08 11:12                       ` Command-line interface thoughts (ad-hominem attacks) Jakub Narebski
2011-06-08 11:39                         ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-08 12:42                           ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-08 14:15                             ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-08 15:05                           ` Jeff King
2011-06-08 18:57                             ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-09  0:43                               ` Jeff King
2011-06-09  1:56                                 ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-10 15:29                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09  9:48                               ` Command-line interface thoughts Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09 11:44                                 ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-09 12:45                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09 13:06                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09  9:06             ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-09 10:02               ` Andreas Ericsson
2011-06-09 13:30                 ` Thomas Rast
2011-06-09 16:18               ` Jeff King
2011-06-09 17:15                 ` Jay Soffian
2011-06-09 17:20                   ` Jeff King
2011-06-09 17:36                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-09 18:20                     ` Jay Soffian
2011-06-09 19:40                       ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-09 18:03                 ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-09 18:38                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-09 19:17                     ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-09 20:04                     ` Jeff King
2011-06-09 21:37                       ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-09 22:04                         ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09 23:02                           ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-10 10:19                             ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-10 11:06                               ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-10 12:20                                 ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09 22:21                         ` Jeff King
2011-06-09 22:27                         ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-09 22:38                           ` Jeff King
2011-06-09 22:55                             ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-10  0:00                             ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-10  0:08                               ` Jeff King
2011-06-10 21:48                       ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-10 22:08                         ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-10 23:05                         ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-12  6:06                         ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-12 21:12                           ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-12 13:30                         ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-12 21:29                           ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-13  2:14                             ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-13 18:50                         ` Jeff King
2011-06-09 19:41                   ` Jeff King
2011-06-05 21:22         ` Paul Ebermann
2011-06-05 21:34   ` Paul Ebermann

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