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From: "Philip Oakley" <philipoakley@iee.org>
To: <git@vger.kernel.org>, "Thomas Ackermann" <th.acker@arcor.de>
Subject: Re: Outdated and broken online versions of user-manual.html
Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 12:36:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BE32A698F2774BD5B5235264B13A46C8@PhilipOakley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: loom.20130511T092853-808@post.gmane.org

From: "Thomas Ackermann" <th.acker@arcor.de>
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:48 AM
> W. Trevor King <wking <at> tremily.us> writes:
>
>>
>> I'm also surprised that I couldn't find a more obvious link to the
>> manual from git-scm.com (I ended up taking a “See Also” link from
>> gittutorial(7) [3]).  I'm not sure if this is intentional or not,
>> since git-scm.com does prominently link Pro Git, and that overlaps
>> fairly significantly with the manual.
>>
>> Folks with Git installed will generally have man pages, so it's not a
>> big deal, but having current docs somewhere online to link against
>> would be nice.  I'm also curious if I should be linking against a
>> particular location.
>>
>
> IMHO user-manual is a natural step for a Git beginner after reading 
> one
> of the books like "Pro Git" and before he is ready to digest the man 
> pages.
> But up to now there are several problems with user-manual besides the
> problems described by Trevor:
> (1) Very poor html formatting (document type "book" causes
> ugly TOCs per section and there's a "Part I" without a "Part II")
> (2) Partly outdated content
> (3) Sub-optimal structuring (to-do list as part of the document,
> glossary not at the end of the document)
> (4) User-manual.PDF uses an independent tool chain which makes it
> harder to do improvements for user-manual.html and also is the only
> pdf doc we are creating. IMHO we should remove this altogether.
> (5) Large overlapping with the tutorials. IMHO all of the
> tutorials should be blended into user-manual
>
> I am currently working on (1)-(4) and then aiming for (5).
> Comments are welcome ...
>
> ---
> Thomas

I too had noticed that both the User-Manual and git Everyday are not 
formatted in a manner that allows them to be accessed via 'git help'.

I recently added a '--guides' option to 'git help' (v1.8.2-377-g73903d0) 
which will show the common guides but was frustrated that I couldn't 
include either the user-manual or everday in the list.

I'd welcome the provision of a 'man'/'html' formatted version of the two 
guides. Are you expecting to make then compatible with the man format?

I would be a little cautious of your point 5 if it squoze everything 
into one overlong document at the expense of losing the shorter 
documents - one can't eat a whole melon in one bite ;-) That said there 
is a significant opportunity for rationalisation and clarity 
improvement, even if it is only a proper realisation of where we 
deliberately duplicate information for ease of user learning.

I also liked the idea of all the documenation being collated into one 
Humongous pdf as a reference (there was a patch a while back - don't 
have a reference right now).

Philip 

  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-11 11:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-10 19:02 Outdated and broken online versions of user-manual.html W. Trevor King
2013-05-11  7:48 ` Thomas Ackermann
2013-05-11 11:36   ` Philip Oakley [this message]
2013-05-20  7:24     ` Jonathan Nieder

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