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From: Francesco Pretto <ceztko@gmail.com>
To: "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us>
Cc: Git <git@vger.kernel.org>, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Jens Lehmann <Jens.Lehmann@web.de>,
	Heiko Voigt <hvoigt@hvoigt.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2] submodule: Respect requested branch on all clones
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 22:27:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALas-ijwb+20dArOGCnZJSqEwU8+ufUpOEktUJ2hAOW_BLpgxw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d0de817dfc687fd943349c9d3e1d410161a0f01e.1388938473.git.wking@tremily.us>

2014/1/5 W. Trevor King <wking@tremily.us>:
> On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 04:53:12AM +0100, Francesco Pretto wrote:
>> Also it could break some users that rely on the current behavior.
>
> The current code always has a detached HEAD after an initial-clone
> update, regardless of submodule.<name>.update, which doesn't match
> those docs either.

I perfectly agree with you that the documentation is a bit
contradictory with regard to "update" command and detached HEAD.
That's why it's so hard to add a feature and keep the same spirit of
those that coded submodules at first. Also, I think that submodules
didn't get much feedback with regards to these pitfalls because many
people try to setup them, they see that "update" detaches the HEAD and
they think "hmmm, maybe submodules are not what I was looking for".

> Adding a check to only checkout
> submodule.<name>.branch if submodule.<name>.update was 'rebase',
> 'merge', or 'none' would be easy, but I don't think that makes much
> sense.  I can't see any reason for folks who specify
> submodule.<name>.branch to prefer a detached HEAD over a local branch
> matching the remote branch's name.

I think the reason is that it still matches the original use case of
submodules devs:
- the maintainer decides the specific commit developers should have;
- developers checkout that commit and don't pull (you can't do "git
pull" in a detached HEAD);
- they optionally get the upstream commit from the specified
"submodule.<name>.branch" with "--remote". They are still in a
detached HEAD and can't do "git pull".

Maybe who coded submodules at first was thinking that the best way to
contribute to a project is to checkout that repository, and not work
in the submodule. As said, this works well when the submodule
repository is a full project, and not a bunch of shared code.

> If they prefer checkout updates,
> the first such update will return them to a detached HEAD.  If they
> prefer merge/rebase updates, future updates will keep them on the same
> branch.  All my commit does is setup that initial branch for folks who
> get the submodule via 'update', in the same way it's currently setup
> for folks who get the submodule via 'add'.
>

My patch is in the same spirit but wants to obtain the same by being
100% additive and by not altering existing behavior in any way. Also
it covers:
- an "autoremote" behavior when the user wants an attached HEAD: with
your patch "--remote" is still needed to really update the branch with
"git submodule update":
- voluntary reattach/detach the HEAD with command line;
- ff-only merge of changes in the case of "checkout" in an attached
HEAD (doing "git checkout <branch>" is not enough);
- reattach of the HEAD with orphaned commits.

Unfortunately our patches are already a bit colliding. I'll wait for
other comments from git maintainers and let see. Anyway, I'm happy
because things are moving: after this debate git submodules will be
better for sure.

Cheers,
Francesco

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-05 21:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-30  1:49 [PATCH/RFC] Introduce git submodule add|update --attach Francesco Pretto
2013-12-31 20:05 ` Phil Hord
2014-01-02 18:48   ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-13 17:31     ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-02 20:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-02 23:42   ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-03  0:26     ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-03  8:49     ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-03 18:06       ` [PATCH] submodule: Respect reqested branch on all clones W. Trevor King
2014-01-04 22:09         ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-04 22:54           ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-05  0:39             ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-05  1:08               ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-05  3:53         ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-05 16:17           ` [RFC v2] submodule: Respect requested " W. Trevor King
2014-01-05 19:48             ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-05 21:24               ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-05 22:57                 ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-05 23:39                   ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-06  0:33                     ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-06  1:12                       ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-06 16:02                         ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-06 23:10                           ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-06 23:32                             ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-07 18:27                               ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-07 19:19                                 ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-07 19:45                                   ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-07 19:48                                     ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-07 21:37                                       ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-07 21:51                                         ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-07 22:38                                     ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-08  0:17                                       ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-08  1:05                                         ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-08  2:12                                           ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-08 23:07                                           ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-09  0:03                                             ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-09  1:09                                               ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-09  2:22                                                 ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-09  8:31                                                 ` Jens Lehmann
2014-01-09 17:32                                                   ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-09 19:23                                                     ` Jens Lehmann
2014-01-09 19:55                                                       ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-09 21:40                                                         ` Jens Lehmann
2014-01-09 22:18                                                           ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-14 10:24                                                             ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-14 16:57                                                               ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-14 20:58                                                                 ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-14 21:42                                                                   ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-14 22:19                                                                     ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-14 22:39                                                                       ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-14 21:46                                                               ` Re: " Heiko Voigt
2014-01-14 22:22                                                                 ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-14 22:42                                                                   ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-15  0:02                                                                     ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-16  4:09                                                                     ` [PATCH v4 0/6] submodule: Local branch creation in module_clone W. Trevor King
2014-01-16  4:10                                                                       ` [PATCH v4 1/6] submodule: Make 'checkout' update_module explicit W. Trevor King
2014-01-16 18:46                                                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-16 19:22                                                                           ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-16 20:07                                                                             ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-16 20:19                                                                               ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-16  4:10                                                                       ` [PATCH v4 2/6] submodule: Document module_clone arguments in comments W. Trevor King
2014-01-16  4:10                                                                       ` [PATCH v4 3/6] submodule: Explicit local branch creation in module_clone W. Trevor King
2014-01-16 19:18                                                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-16 19:29                                                                           ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-16 19:43                                                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-16 21:12                                                                           ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-16  4:10                                                                       ` [PATCH v4 4/6] t7406: Just-cloned checkouts update to the gitlinked hash with 'reset' W. Trevor King
2014-01-16 19:22                                                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-16 19:32                                                                           ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-16 20:24                                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-16  4:10                                                                       ` [PATCH v4 5/6] t7406: Add explicit tests for head attachement after cloning updates W. Trevor King
2014-01-16  4:10                                                                       ` [PATCH v4 6/6] Documentation: Describe 'submodule update' modes in detail W. Trevor King
2014-01-16 20:21                                                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-16 20:55                                                                           ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-16 21:02                                                                             ` John Keeping
2014-01-16 21:16                                                                               ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-16 21:55                                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-17  2:37                                                                               ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-26 20:45                                                                                 ` [PATCH v5 0/4] submodule: Local branch creation in module_clone W. Trevor King
2014-01-26 20:45                                                                                   ` [PATCH v5 1/4] submodule: Make 'checkout' update_module explicit W. Trevor King
2014-01-27  1:32                                                                                     ` Eric Sunshine
2014-01-27  1:59                                                                                       ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-26 20:45                                                                                   ` [PATCH v5 2/4] submodule: Document module_clone arguments in comments W. Trevor King
2014-01-26 20:45                                                                                   ` [PATCH v5 3/4] submodule: Explicit local branch creation in module_clone W. Trevor King
2014-01-26 20:45                                                                                   ` [PATCH v5 4/4] Documentation: Describe 'submodule update --remote' use case W. Trevor King
2014-01-16 22:18                                                                           ` [PATCH v4 6/6] Documentation: Describe 'submodule update' modes in detail Philip Oakley
2014-01-16 22:35                                                                             ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-08 23:54                                           ` Re: [RFC v2] submodule: Respect requested branch on all clones Francesco Pretto
2014-01-09  0:23                                             ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-07 19:52                                   ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-06 15:47                     ` Re: " Heiko Voigt
2014-01-06 17:22                       ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-05 21:27             ` Francesco Pretto [this message]
2014-01-05 21:47               ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-05 22:01                 ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-06 14:47               ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-06 16:56                 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-06 17:37                   ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-06 21:32                     ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-07  0:55                   ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-07 18:15             ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-07 18:47               ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-07 19:21                 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-07 19:50                   ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-05  2:50       ` [PATCH 1/2] git-submodule.sh: Support 'checkout' as a valid update command Francesco Pretto
2014-01-05  2:50         ` [PATCH 2/2] Introduce git submodule attached update Francesco Pretto
2014-01-05 19:55           ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-05 20:33           ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-05 21:46             ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-06 14:06               ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-06 17:47                 ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-06 19:21                   ` David Engster
2014-01-07 19:27                     ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-07  4:10                   ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-07 22:36                     ` Preferred local submodule branches (was: Introduce git submodule attached update) W. Trevor King
2014-01-07 23:52                       ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-08  3:47                         ` Preferred local submodule branches W. Trevor King
2014-01-08  4:06                           ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-09  6:17                             ` [RFC v3 0/4] " W. Trevor King
2014-01-09  6:17                               ` [RFC v3 1/4] submodule: Add helpers for configurable local branches W. Trevor King
2014-01-09  6:17                               ` [RFC v3 2/4] submodule: Teach 'update' to preserve " W. Trevor King
2014-01-09  6:17                               ` [RFC v3 3/4] submodule: Teach 'add' about a configurable local-branch W. Trevor King
2014-01-15  0:18                                 ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-15  1:02                                   ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-09  6:17                               ` [RFC v3 4/4] submodule: Add a new 'checkout' command W. Trevor King
2014-01-12  1:08                               ` Tight submodule bindings (was: Preferred local submodule branches) W. Trevor King
2014-01-13 19:37                                 ` Tight submodule bindings Jens Lehmann
2014-01-13 20:07                                   ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-13 22:13                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-14  2:44                                   ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-07 22:51                     ` Re: [PATCH 2/2] Introduce git submodule attached update Heiko Voigt
2014-01-07 23:14                       ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-07 18:56                   ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-07 19:44                     ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-07 19:07                   ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-07 19:25                     ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-05 23:22             ` Francesco Pretto
2014-01-06 14:18               ` Heiko Voigt
2014-01-06 15:58                 ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-05 20:20         ` [PATCH 1/2] git-submodule.sh: Support 'checkout' as a valid update command Heiko Voigt
2014-01-05 20:44         ` W. Trevor King
2014-01-06 16:20           ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-06 17:42             ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-06 17:52               ` Francesco Pretto

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