From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Felipe Contreras Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH] push: introduce implicit push Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:39:40 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1365780835-2853-1-git-send-email-artagnon@gmail.com> <7v38uvcrjl.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <7vehed7ilu.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <7vppxw335o.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <516BA732.4080405@viscovery.net> <7vzjx01cqn.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <20130415083558.GB2278@serenity.lan> <7vk3o416rq.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <20130415095920.GE2278@serenity.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Junio C Hamano , Johannes Sixt , Ramkumar Ramachandra , Git List , Jeff King , Jonathan Nieder To: John Keeping X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Mon Apr 15 18:39:51 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1URmRX-0006aI-Dd for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 18:39:47 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754456Ab3DOQjm (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:39:42 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f45.google.com ([209.85.215.45]:56692 "EHLO mail-la0-f45.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753143Ab3DOQjl (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:39:41 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id gw10so4560252lab.18 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:39:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=k/QsxooVSxhagQSbwn60POmNFjVMmW2ZqtbW9rsb6tQ=; b=lcsquuUBITwCKOYvK5hp/gCHWfKRgDWLb0iZOgb68E6f62o7l6XeFLCtCVlhaKiGvz 62NClGziOcD1uaBU9kjn6wWC0DNqsz9uB3Q0KU5jndDPi+zjANXkGaOBj7graoMBMhVa effS2Cd743Rz9tgdFeJuXwHG8CI+PY8/xZlrfrqT6X+2EwKYO+rVj8g6JK9vGJEAQvSx NYa93nYMKXqdDkhu0xW70yU9x8SIdPLXr/IJVMCzFOmJWXJmymO2MVNkLLUn/oIwY3ru T1bxBRFrGxewXidH+CqA3wGvQ/fIKfqwpcc+18+l1SCd5B/TGCv11IseB5t0regSSv5A iTPw== X-Received: by 10.112.20.106 with SMTP id m10mr10719833lbe.8.1366043980132; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.59.210 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:39:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130415095920.GE2278@serenity.lan> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 4:59 AM, John Keeping wrote: > So the question is "what is the natural extension of the current > behaviour?", and the answer for me is "it's completely new", but others > have different (and conflicting) internal models that give different > answers. I don't think this does anybody any service. If the current behavior is wrong, and if users all over the Internet is any indication, it is; we do not want to continue such bad behavior. If the new functionality has a different behavior, it only makes sense to change the old behavior to make it consistent. Perpetuating bad behavior choices only hurt the users, we need to start thinking how to make git more user friendly, not worry too much about keep doing what we did five years ago. Sure, we should not break user expectations from one day to the next, but that doesn't mean we can't change anything ever. -- Felipe Contreras