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From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@gmail.com>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Christophe Simonis <christophe@kn.gl>,
	Simon Ruderich <simon@ruderich.org>, Max Horn <max@quendi.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/9] remote-bzr: trivial cleanups
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:48:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMP44s1MHUc_jw5EQviSYWc9phWCYD-FK_gRA-0QYNcLix098w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALkWK0ndinJPeufokYUiPeC_Hs=9WA71Xpd=K6vimJseXJsAOA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Ramkumar Ramachandra
<artagnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> Any sensible reviewer would be context aware, notice that this
>> is a contrib patch, and focus on behavioral changes, notice the
>> mistake I made, and point that *one* of the changes was changing the
>> behavior, at which point I would agree and reroll either without that
>> change, or with the change in a separate commit (which I don't want to
>> do right now). The maintainer (you), wouldn't even have to reply at
>> all.
>
> Personally, I think it is the job of the submitter to provide a really
> helpful commit message and widen his review audience.  If I'm hitting
> the git mailing list with my patches, I try to make sure that nearly
> everyone on the list can understand what I've done and potentially
> review it.  Why else would I want to hit their inboxes with my
> patches?

If you don't understand the reasoning and history behind remote-bzr,
you might be doing a disservice to everyone by commenting at all.

Bazaar is a dead project, and there are *real* users suffering as we
speak, bound to eternal SCM torment by evil dictators and political
non-speak. Even the worst of remote-bzr patches are a thousand times
better than what you see in bzr code itself.

To give you some perspective, one commit broke a branch in the emacs
project, and ever since then people are not able to clone that branch.
This bug has been known for years, and nobody fixes it. Every time
anybody tries to clone that branch, they need a special sequence of
commands.

They *need* something like remote-bzr to escape the horrendities of
bzr, and all you are doing complaining about a sneaked fix is a
disservice to everyone. Yes, doing such a thing on git.c would not be
particularly great, but wouldn't be horrific either, fortunately we
are not doing that!

Answer me, do you use bzr? No? Do you use remote-bzr? No? Then how in
hell could you possibly have any contextual information to make even a
guess as to what would be the impact of sneaking such a small fix? You
can't.

But why are we even speaking about this nonsense? This patch has been
dropped. You want to review something, go review PATCH v2 1/9. Stop
arguing about stubbornness and hypotheticals, when there's actual code
to review.

What is your objective, do you want to help this project move forward or not?

-- 
Felipe Contreras

  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-26 18:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-25 11:20 [PATCH 0/9] remote-helpers: fixes and cleanups Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 11:20 ` [PATCH 1/9] remote-bzr: trivial cleanups Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 18:19   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-25 19:20     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 20:30       ` Thomas Rast
2013-04-25 20:52         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 21:37           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-25 21:49             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 20:36       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-25 21:35         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 22:01           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-25 22:58             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 23:11               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-26  1:19                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-26 12:19               ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-26 18:48                 ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2013-04-26 18:53                   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-26 19:39                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-26 19:56                       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-26 20:23                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-26 22:10                           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-26 22:22                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-26 19:39                   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-26  9:32           ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-26 18:34             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-26 19:30               ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-26 19:59                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-26 20:00                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-26 20:03                   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-26 20:28                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-26 20:28                   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-26 20:46                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-26 19:19             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-26 20:17               ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-26 21:00                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 19:29     ` Stefano Lattarini
2013-04-25 19:33       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 11:20 ` [PATCH 2/9] remote-hg: remove extra check Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 18:23   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-25 19:22     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 11:20 ` [PATCH 3/9] remote-bzr: fix bad state issue Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 11:20 ` [PATCH 4/9] remote-bzr: add support to push URLs Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 11:20 ` [PATCH 5/9] remote-hg: use hashlib instead of hg sha1 util Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 18:25   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-25 19:30     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 11:20 ` [PATCH 6/9] remote-bzr: store converted URL Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 11:20 ` [PATCH 7/9] remote-hg: use python urlparse Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 11:20 ` [PATCH 8/9] remote-bzr: tell bazaar to be quiet Felipe Contreras
2013-04-25 11:20 ` [PATCH 9/9] remote-bzr: strip extra newline Felipe Contreras

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