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From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: "Magnus Bäck" <baeck@google.com>,
	"Michael Haggerty" <mhagger@alum.mit.edu>,
	"Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Python extension commands in git - request for policy change
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 03:06:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMP44s1jzUWm8BKxJR29RNWTWnxReExTeDTAKhk3mF3WJYNE0w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121128013943.GA23776@sigill.intra.peff.net>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Jeff King <peff@peff.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 02:22:09AM +0100, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> Sure, you will argue that we don't see the *real* issues, because they
>> were fixed preemptively, but the fact of the matter is that we will
>> never know. All we know is the reality we can observe, and the reality
>> is that we hit very few *real* issues outside the test system (feel
>> free to provide evidence to the contrary).
>
> I think reports of breakage in the test scripts are relevant, because
> they are indicative that people _do_ run platforms that care about these
> issues, and if we were to write a lot of shell scripts, we would run
> across them more frequently. But the fact of the matter is that we don't
> write a lot of non-test shell scripts these days, which is part of the
> reason limiting your search to the last 2 years did not turn up many
> fixes outside the tests.

If we were to write a lot of shell scripts, and we were to apply the
same standards as we do with the tests, which most likely wouldn't be
the case; end-user scripts are way more important, specially
porcelain.

> There was a big push in 2006 and 2007 to port some of the hairier
> scripts to C. Try:
>
>   git log --no-renames --diff-filter=D \
>           --diff-filter=D --format='%ad %s' --date=short \
>           -- 'git-*.sh'
>
> A lot of it was motivated by portability and decent performance for
> common commands under Windows.

Good stuff indeed. I look forward to the day all main git porcelain
commands are written in C (git-rebase I'm looking at you), there are
not many left:

git-am
git-bisect
git-citool
git-gui
git-pull
git-rebase
git-stash
git-submodule

> Anyway, there is not much point in debating the exact level of pain that
> shell portability causes us. Even if you accept that there is some, it
> is clearly not a major problem for the project.

Indeed.

-- 
Felipe Contreras

  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-28  2:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-25  2:44 Python extension commands in git - request for policy change Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-25  3:15 ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-11-25  5:18   ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-25  8:56     ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-25  9:54       ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-25 11:48         ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-25 17:50           ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-25 21:22             ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-25 21:56               ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-26 13:11                 ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-27  7:54                   ` David Aguilar
2012-11-27  8:43                     ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-27  9:17                     ` Sitaram Chamarty
2012-11-27 10:51                       ` David Aguilar
2012-11-27 22:01                         ` Guillaume DE BURE
2012-11-27 15:33                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2012-11-28  2:09                 ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-25 17:21     ` Johannes Schindelin
2012-11-25 10:26   ` Pat Thoyts
2012-11-25 10:33     ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-25 15:51       ` Erik Faye-Lund
2012-11-25  8:53 ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-25  9:53   ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-25 11:19     ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-25 17:32       ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-25 21:43         ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-25 22:44           ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-26 11:05             ` Andreas Ericsson
2012-11-25 10:44   ` Michael Haggerty
2012-11-25 10:57     ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-25 11:51       ` David Lang
2012-11-25 12:01         ` Stefano Lattarini
2012-11-25 17:44         ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-25 11:25     ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-12-11  5:44       ` Patrick Donnelly
2012-12-12  0:09         ` Sitaram Chamarty
2012-12-12  0:28           ` Patrick Donnelly
2012-12-12  0:53           ` Tomas Carnecky
2012-12-12  1:50             ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-12-12  2:22               ` Tomas Carnecky
2012-12-12  2:26               ` Patrick Donnelly
2012-12-12  5:15                 ` Joshua Jensen
2012-12-12  3:30           ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-12-12  5:11             ` Joshua Jensen
2012-12-12 12:23               ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-12-12  6:32             ` Jeff King
2012-12-12  7:03               ` Patrick Donnelly
2012-12-12  8:32                 ` Jeff King
2012-12-12 12:26               ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-12-12 12:29                 ` Jeff King
2012-12-12 17:49               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-12 22:21                 ` Andrew Ardill
2012-12-12 22:43                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-12  7:11             ` Patrick Donnelly
2012-12-12 12:43               ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-12-19  2:30                 ` Patrick Donnelly
2012-11-25 11:40     ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-25 17:36       ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-25 21:25         ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-25 22:11           ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-26 13:17             ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-27 14:35       ` Magnus Bäck
2012-11-27 18:35         ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-27 21:08           ` Sitaram Chamarty
2012-11-28  0:16           ` Felipe Contreras
2012-12-03 21:45             ` Philippe Vaucher
2012-12-04 14:19               ` Felipe Contreras
2012-12-04 14:40                 ` Stephen Bash
2012-11-28  0:10         ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-28  0:51           ` Jeff King
2012-11-28  1:22             ` Felipe Contreras
2012-11-28  1:39               ` Jeff King
2012-11-28  2:06                 ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2012-11-28 15:39           ` Magnus Bäck
2012-11-28  5:08     ` Joshua Jensen
2012-11-25  8:57 ` Johannes Sixt
2012-11-25 10:25   ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-25 21:41 ` Krzysztof Mazur
2012-11-25 22:47   ` Eric S. Raymond
2012-11-26  5:10     ` Sitaram Chamarty
2012-11-26  8:32       ` Krzysztof Mazur
2012-12-04 15:51 ` Martin Langhoff

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