From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Felipe Contreras Subject: Re: What's cooking in git.git (Apr 2013, #05; Mon, 15) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: References: <7vhaj7r116.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <7vip3npet0.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <8761zm4wzg.fsf@linux-k42r.v.cablecom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Phil Hord , Thomas Rast , Junio C Hamano , "git@vger.kernel.org" To: Ramkumar Ramachandra X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu Apr 18 14:06:07 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1USnbL-0002E4-27 for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:06:07 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S967182Ab3DRMGB (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:06:01 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com ([209.85.215.50]:36808 "EHLO mail-la0-f50.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S966969Ab3DRMGA (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:06:00 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id el20so2423087lab.23 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 05:05:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=9XntVoHAq487nZTFxBULHFs0O3T3kiHjLXSPWQYhISI=; b=yJXEW9pQj41pgZMsr2AEi0rX/Hf3ycx7ht6Dp/TlPNv+HOmyTRAni5Jr8rCMmrPk2+ UnoYvm1JKE6tt6jA0lEVSX9yGBJZty0NM+ZpYsYdnW9sy2o4kJkY3E3f+l0Xr6He0T78 078vd5jq2bu+rPKiEFahVdlmekvMb1VfpXRrzEoicUj0hYULKvJx+R8e18oqckVQ/Xo7 fjltoKVaffFaAXpgfOJVAA8/3JJZoHKpiH+s24ZBsTiTzxKM/2DlTuKuUNgDrl4Rymuf Zl0A28nEOhkCkcou8xzA5nMh6AkvTgMB31fhRYZbHLOXFzrqzcKydRYXg7e0G5sgARNv Wkvw== X-Received: by 10.152.120.6 with SMTP id ky6mr5691349lab.19.1366286758697; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 05:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.59.210 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 05:05:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote: > Since you disagreed with the rest, I'll only respond to this part: > > Felipe Contreras wrote: >> But I won't bother trying to convince you that no project is more >> important than its users (in the words of Linus Torvalds), because >> most people don't see the big picture. > > I didn't say otherwise. What I'm saying is: my personal incentive to > write code does not prioritize the supposed benefit of some unknown > "user" somewhere on the planet above everything else. My personal > incentive prioritizes me, and my immediate circle (ie. the git > community). The benefit propagates outwards to extended circles until > it reaches the people I care least about: incidental end-users. If the people that matter most are given the worst prioritization, it means the prioritization is wrong. > That's how people are connected: how can I care about distant unknown > people I'm not connected to? It's called empathy. > The people in the outermost circles > benefit the least, because they didn't get a say in the development. > All they can do is write a rant about it on their blog, and hope that > it gets fixed someday. To the detriment of the project. > You just ditched us, the inner circle of people who care about your > work the most, and are instead trying to convince us that we're > hurting some unknown hypothetical "users" by not merging your code > immediately. The users are real, the developers that will look retroatcively to the commit message of this patch are not. > If you think these users are more important to you than we are, then > why are you posting your code on this mailing list? What other way is there for this code to reach the users? > Start your own > project that's focused on satisfying these users. Start a new project so I can include a patch that hasn't made it yet into the "what's cooking" in one week? That's ridiculous. > It doesn't even > need to be open source or have a community of reviewers, because all > you care about are users. Who said *all* that matters are the users? And even if somebody did, ultimately a closed source proprietary software doesn't benefit the users, so either way it has to be open and active to benefit the users. -- Felipe Contreras