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From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
Cc: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, John Keeping <john@keeping.me.uk>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Andreas Krey <a.krey@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Reject non-ff pulls by default
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:53:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMP44s2dmn48T=c6aSLrWeTY=CKf5AYnAv7gA8bLjLMyb9-MTA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vpq4n9tjd5z.fsf@anie.imag.fr>

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Matthieu Moy
<Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr> wrote:
> Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> The problem is the newcomers, and the newcomers will most definitely
>> not activate a configuration option to tell them that they are doing
>> something potentially undesirable.
>
> I teach Git to 200 newcommers each year. All of them run "git pull" the
> first day, but believe me, very few of them want to know what a rebase
> is at that time.

And who says they have to? This is a straw man argument.

May of them don't want to know what the staging area is, that's why
they run 'git commit --all', and just like that they can run 'git pull
--merge'.

>> By the time they learn about pull.mode, they probably already know
>> what a rebase is. So what is the point of the configuration in the
>> first place?
> [...]
>> That doesn't mean anything, you are assuming the user will do 'git
>> pull --rebase', and there's no rationale as to why they would end up
>> doing that.
>
> So, you insist in asking the user to chose between rebase and merge, but
> you also insist that they will not chose rebase? So, why ask?

Because as you said, they don't know what that is.

>> 'git commit' by default "prevents" users from creating commits without
>> first adding changes to the staging area, and since it's a concept
>> unique to Git, it's fair to say that none of the newcomers understand
>> why 'git commit' is failing, the error messages is not particularly
>> useful either.
>
> I don't particularly agree that not defaulting to --all was a good idea,
> but that's another topic.

It the same topic, the project already made a choice, and precisely
because of the same reasoning that 'git commit --all' is required,
'git pull --merge' should be required.

> But the error message is rather clear:
>
>   no changes added to commit (use "git add" and/or "git commit -a")

And we can do the same:

"Read more with 'git pull --help' or do 'git pull --merge'."

-- 
Felipe Contreras

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-11 10:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-31 22:38 [PATCH 0/3] Reject non-ff pulls by default Felipe Contreras
2013-08-31 22:38 ` [PATCH 1/3] merge: simplify ff-only option Felipe Contreras
2013-08-31 22:38 ` [PATCH 2/3] t: replace pulls with merges Felipe Contreras
2013-08-31 22:38 ` [PATCH 3/3] pull: reject non-ff pulls by default Felipe Contreras
2013-09-03 17:21 ` [PATCH 0/3] Reject " Junio C Hamano
2013-09-03 21:50   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-03 22:38     ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-03 22:59       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-04  8:10       ` John Keeping
2013-09-04  9:25         ` Jeff King
2013-09-04 10:16           ` John Keeping
2013-09-08  2:52           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  4:18             ` Jeff King
2013-09-08  4:37               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  4:43                 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08  5:09                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  5:21                     ` Jeff King
2013-09-08  6:17                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  6:54                         ` Jeff King
2013-09-08  7:15                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  7:50                             ` Jeff King
2013-09-08  8:43                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-09 20:17                               ` Jeff King
2013-09-09 22:59                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 10:03                           ` John Keeping
2013-09-09 20:04                             ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 17:26                 ` brian m. carlson
2013-09-08 22:38                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-09  0:01                     ` brian m. carlson
2013-09-09  0:29                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-09  0:36                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-09  0:38                           ` brian m. carlson
2013-09-09  7:18                         ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-09 18:47                           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-09 19:52                             ` Jeff King
2013-09-09 20:24                               ` John Keeping
2013-09-09 20:44                                 ` Jeff King
2013-09-09 21:10                                   ` John Keeping
2013-09-09 21:48                                   ` Richard Hansen
2013-09-09 20:50                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-09 20:53                                   ` Jeff King
2013-09-09 21:34                                     ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-09 23:02                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-10  8:08                                   ` John Keeping
2013-09-09 20:47                             ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-10 21:56                               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-09 23:17                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-10  8:26                             ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-11 10:53                               ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2013-09-11 11:38                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-13  0:55                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-04 16:59         ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-04 17:17         ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-04 22:08           ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-04 22:59             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-05  8:06               ` John Keeping
2013-09-05 19:18                 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-05 19:26                   ` John Keeping
2013-09-06 21:41                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-09-06 22:14                       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-07 11:07                         ` John Keeping
2013-09-08  2:36                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  2:34                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  8:01                   ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-08  8:16                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  8:42                       ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-08  8:49                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 10:02                           ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-08 10:39                             ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-05 11:01               ` John Szakmeister
2013-09-05 11:38                 ` John Keeping
2013-09-05 12:37                   ` John Szakmeister
2013-09-05 15:20               ` Richard Hansen
2013-09-05 21:30               ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-05 23:45                 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-05 23:38               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-08  2:41               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  6:17                 ` Richard Hansen
2013-09-08 18:10                   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-08 20:05                     ` Richard Hansen
2013-09-08 22:46                     ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-08 22:46                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 23:11                       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-05 13:31           ` Greg Troxel

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