From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
Cc: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, John Keeping <john@keeping.me.uk>,
Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org, Andreas Krey <a.krey@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Reject non-ff pulls by default
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:53:44 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMP44s2dmn48T=c6aSLrWeTY=CKf5AYnAv7gA8bLjLMyb9-MTA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vpq4n9tjd5z.fsf@anie.imag.fr>
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Matthieu Moy
<Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr> wrote:
> Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> The problem is the newcomers, and the newcomers will most definitely
>> not activate a configuration option to tell them that they are doing
>> something potentially undesirable.
>
> I teach Git to 200 newcommers each year. All of them run "git pull" the
> first day, but believe me, very few of them want to know what a rebase
> is at that time.
And who says they have to? This is a straw man argument.
May of them don't want to know what the staging area is, that's why
they run 'git commit --all', and just like that they can run 'git pull
--merge'.
>> By the time they learn about pull.mode, they probably already know
>> what a rebase is. So what is the point of the configuration in the
>> first place?
> [...]
>> That doesn't mean anything, you are assuming the user will do 'git
>> pull --rebase', and there's no rationale as to why they would end up
>> doing that.
>
> So, you insist in asking the user to chose between rebase and merge, but
> you also insist that they will not chose rebase? So, why ask?
Because as you said, they don't know what that is.
>> 'git commit' by default "prevents" users from creating commits without
>> first adding changes to the staging area, and since it's a concept
>> unique to Git, it's fair to say that none of the newcomers understand
>> why 'git commit' is failing, the error messages is not particularly
>> useful either.
>
> I don't particularly agree that not defaulting to --all was a good idea,
> but that's another topic.
It the same topic, the project already made a choice, and precisely
because of the same reasoning that 'git commit --all' is required,
'git pull --merge' should be required.
> But the error message is rather clear:
>
> no changes added to commit (use "git add" and/or "git commit -a")
And we can do the same:
"Read more with 'git pull --help' or do 'git pull --merge'."
--
Felipe Contreras
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-09-11 10:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-08-31 22:38 [PATCH 0/3] Reject non-ff pulls by default Felipe Contreras
2013-08-31 22:38 ` [PATCH 1/3] merge: simplify ff-only option Felipe Contreras
2013-08-31 22:38 ` [PATCH 2/3] t: replace pulls with merges Felipe Contreras
2013-08-31 22:38 ` [PATCH 3/3] pull: reject non-ff pulls by default Felipe Contreras
2013-09-03 17:21 ` [PATCH 0/3] Reject " Junio C Hamano
2013-09-03 21:50 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-03 22:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-03 22:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-04 8:10 ` John Keeping
2013-09-04 9:25 ` Jeff King
2013-09-04 10:16 ` John Keeping
2013-09-08 2:52 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 4:18 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 4:37 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 4:43 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 5:09 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 5:21 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 6:17 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 6:54 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 7:15 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 7:50 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 8:43 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-09 20:17 ` Jeff King
2013-09-09 22:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 10:03 ` John Keeping
2013-09-09 20:04 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 17:26 ` brian m. carlson
2013-09-08 22:38 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-09 0:01 ` brian m. carlson
2013-09-09 0:29 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-09 0:36 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-09 0:38 ` brian m. carlson
2013-09-09 7:18 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-09 18:47 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-09 19:52 ` Jeff King
2013-09-09 20:24 ` John Keeping
2013-09-09 20:44 ` Jeff King
2013-09-09 21:10 ` John Keeping
2013-09-09 21:48 ` Richard Hansen
2013-09-09 20:50 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-09 20:53 ` Jeff King
2013-09-09 21:34 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-09 23:02 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-10 8:08 ` John Keeping
2013-09-09 20:47 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-10 21:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-09 23:17 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-10 8:26 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-11 10:53 ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2013-09-11 11:38 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-13 0:55 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-04 16:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-04 17:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-04 22:08 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-04 22:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-05 8:06 ` John Keeping
2013-09-05 19:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-05 19:26 ` John Keeping
2013-09-06 21:41 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-09-06 22:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-07 11:07 ` John Keeping
2013-09-08 2:36 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 2:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 8:01 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-08 8:16 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 8:42 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-08 8:49 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 10:02 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-08 10:39 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-05 11:01 ` John Szakmeister
2013-09-05 11:38 ` John Keeping
2013-09-05 12:37 ` John Szakmeister
2013-09-05 15:20 ` Richard Hansen
2013-09-05 21:30 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-05 23:45 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-05 23:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-08 2:41 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 6:17 ` Richard Hansen
2013-09-08 18:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-08 20:05 ` Richard Hansen
2013-09-08 22:46 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-08 22:46 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 23:11 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-05 13:31 ` Greg Troxel
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