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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com>
Cc: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Carl Baldwin <cnb@fc.hp.com>, Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>,
	Martin Langhoff <martin.langhoff@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Census] So who uses git?
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:21:52 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0601311110210.7301@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1138734110.18852.26.camel@evo.keithp.com>



On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Keith Packard wrote:

> On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 09:30 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> >  - ignore it. Never _ever_ use git-update-index directly, and don't tell 
> >    people about use individual filenames to git-commit. Maybe even add 
> >    "-a" by default to the git-commit flags as a special installation 
> >    addition.
> 
> As a newly initiated user, this would have been a more gentle
> introduction to the system. But, it would be hard to make it entirely
> invisible given the current interfaces. I'm not sure if obscuring the
> presense of the index is a great plan; it's already hard enough to
> figure out how it works.

Now, I do agree. I don't actually like hiding the index too much. 
Understanding the index is _invaluable_ whenever you're doing a merge with 
conflicts, and understanding what tools are available to you to resolve 
those conflicts.

The index is also obviously very important when you do a partial commit, 
and it's something I do end up doing quite often. Again, maybe that's not 
something that a new git user should be encouraged to ever do, but it's a 
huge convenience feature for power-users.

Understanding the index also allows people to understand certain 
performance-characteristics of git, and explains how "git add" (and 
remove, if we had one) actually works independently of the commit. 

So I'm actually of the "revel in the index" camp (as could probably be 
guessed by the original tutorial).

My personal suggestion would be to introduce git "gently" by ignoring it, 
but by the time a person actually _works_ on a project (as opposed to just 
going through a tutorial or following another persons project), he/she 
should probably have been introduced to the index in order to understand 
what happens and to use its power.

(In particular, the difference between "git diff" and "git diff HEAD" is 
an important one to understand eventually).

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-31 19:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-26  2:10 LCA06 Cogito/GIT workshop - (Re: git-whatchanged: exit out early on errors) Martin Langhoff
2006-01-28  4:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-28  5:33   ` Martin Langhoff
2006-01-28  5:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-28  6:32       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-29 10:12       ` Fredrik Kuivinen
2006-01-29 20:15         ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-28 11:00     ` Keith Packard
2006-01-28 21:08       ` [Census] So who uses git? Junio C Hamano
2006-01-29  2:14         ` Morten Welinder
2006-01-29  3:53           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-29 14:19             ` Morten Welinder
2006-01-29 20:15               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-29 10:09         ` Keith Packard
2006-01-29 11:18           ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2006-01-29 18:12             ` Greg KH
2006-01-31 18:33               ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2006-01-31 19:50                 ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2006-01-31 20:43                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-31 21:02                     ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2006-01-30 22:51             ` Alex Riesen
2006-01-31 21:25               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-31 21:52                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-01-31 22:01                 ` Alex Riesen
     [not found]                   ` <20060201013901.GA16832@mail.com>
2006-02-01  2:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  2:09                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-09  5:15                         ` [PATCH] "Assume unchanged" git Junio C Hamano
2006-02-09  5:49                           ` [PATCH] "Assume unchanged" git: do not set CE_VALID with --refresh Junio C Hamano
2006-02-09  5:50                           ` [PATCH] ls-files: debugging aid for CE_VALID changes Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  2:31                       ` [Census] So who uses git? Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  3:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  7:03                           ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                         ` <20060201045337.GC25753@mail.com>
2006-02-01  5:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  5:42                           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 16:15                       ` Jason Riedy
2006-02-01 19:20                       ` Julian Phillips
2006-02-01 19:29                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-06 21:15                       ` Chuck Lever
2006-02-01  2:52                     ` Martin Langhoff
2006-02-01  3:48                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 19:30                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-02-01 14:55                       ` Alex Riesen
2006-02-01 16:25                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-02  9:12                           ` Alex Riesen
2006-01-29 18:37         ` Dave Jones
2006-01-29 20:17           ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-01-29 20:29             ` Martin Langhoff
2006-01-30 15:23             ` Mike McCormack
2006-01-30 18:58         ` Carl Baldwin
2006-01-31 10:27           ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-01-31 15:24             ` Carl Baldwin
2006-01-31 15:31               ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-01-31 17:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-31 18:12               ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-01-31 19:33                 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-31 19:44                   ` Jon Loeliger
2006-01-31 19:52                     ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                     ` <7vd5i8w2nc.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net>
2006-01-31 20:56                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-01-31 20:06                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-01-31 19:01               ` Keith Packard
2006-01-31 19:21                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-01-31 22:55                   ` Joel Becker
2006-02-01 14:43                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-01-31 20:56                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-01-31 22:21                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 19:34               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-01-31 23:16             ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-01-31 23:36               ` Petr Baudis
2006-01-31 23:47               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  0:38                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  0:52                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  2:19                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-02-01  6:42                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  7:22                     ` Carl Worth
2006-02-01  8:26                       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  9:59                         ` Randal L. Schwartz
2006-02-01 20:48                           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 17:11                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 17:18                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-02-01 20:27                       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 21:09                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 21:34                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-02-01 21:59                           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 22:25                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-02-01 22:50                               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-02 14:59                                 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-02-01 22:35                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 23:33                               ` Two ideas for improving git's user interface Carl Worth
2006-02-02  0:38                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-02  1:16                                   ` Carl Worth
2006-02-02  2:25                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-03 23:57                                       ` Carl Worth
2006-02-02  1:23                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-02  1:44                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-04  8:03                                     ` Alan Chandler
2006-02-04  8:25                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-04  9:30                                         ` Alan Chandler
2006-02-04  0:20                                   ` Carl Worth
2006-02-04  2:08                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-06 23:42                                       ` Carl Worth
2006-02-02 12:31                                 ` Florian Weimer
2006-02-02 16:30                                 ` Carl Baldwin
2006-02-01 22:57                             ` [Census] So who uses git? Daniel Barkalow
2006-02-01 22:00                         ` Joel Becker
2006-02-01 19:32           ` H. Peter Anvin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-02-01  7:08 linux
2006-02-01  8:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 16:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 16:10 ` Alex Riesen
2006-02-01 21:27   ` linux

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