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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH 0/5] Implement 'prior' commit object links (and other commit links ideas)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:11:13 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0604251004410.3701@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e2lijt$aco$1@sea.gmane.org>



On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Jakub Narebski wrote:
> 
> The generic commit links "related" which is fsck-able at least and "note"
> which is not. It is idea somewhat on the level of providing _extended
> attributes_ in VFS in Linux kernel, IMVHO.

And nobody actually uses extended attributes either, do they?

Plus it's _not_ fsck'able, since the thing doesn't even have any valid 
semantics. You guys can't even agree on whether the object must exist or 
not. 

Anyway, I'm not interested. I'm violently opposed to the mess that is 
darcs and other crapola. The WHOLE point of git is to have well-defined 
semantics and get away from the horrors that other systems have done, 
where they have allowed any random crap to "make sense". 

If you want darcs-like semantics where there are no rules, just use darcs, 
for chrissake! And if you want to base it on git because you've noticed 
that git is (a) stable, (b) fast and (c) has developed remarkably well, 
then think for a second _why_ git is stable, fast, and well-developed. 
It's that exactly because it has clear semantics, and no room for random 
crud.

Git tracks contents, and the well-defined history of how those contents 
came to be. Git does NOT track "additional notes" left by the developer 
that have weak semantics. Git does not track when a developer says "I 
renamed a file".

For exactly the same reason, git should not track it when a developer says 
"I think this commit is related to that commit". It's not hard data, that 
has hard and clear semantics.

Once you start adding data that has no clear semantics, you're screwed. At 
that point, it's a "track guesses" game, not a "track contents" game.

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-25 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-25  3:54 [RFC] [PATCH 0/5] Implement 'prior' commit object links Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  4:31 ` [PATCH 1/5] add 'prior' link in commit structure Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  5:18   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25  4:31 ` [PATCH 2/5] git-merge-base: follow 'prior' links to find merge bases Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  5:19   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25  4:31 ` [PATCH 3/5] commit.c: parse 'prior' link Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  4:31 ` [PATCH 5/5] git-commit: add --prior to set prior link Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  4:31 ` [PATCH 4/5] git-commit-tree: add support for prior Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  4:34 ` [RFC] [PATCH 0/5] Implement 'prior' commit object links Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  5:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25 23:19   ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-26  5:06     ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-26  5:22       ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-26  5:36         ` [OT] " Junio C Hamano
2006-04-26  6:35           ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-26  6:50             ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-26  7:22               ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-26  7:50                 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-26  8:44                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-26  9:21                     ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-26  9:28                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-26  6:51       ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-25  6:44 ` [RFC] [PATCH 0/5] Implement 'prior' commit object links (and other commit links ideas) Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25  7:29   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25  7:43     ` Jakub Narebski
     [not found]       ` <20060425043436.2ff53318.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-04-25  8:34         ` sean
     [not found]         ` <20060425045752.0c6fbc21.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-04-25  8:57           ` sean
2006-04-25  9:10             ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25  9:58               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25 10:08                 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-29 14:59                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 15:21     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 15:40       ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]         ` <20060425121700.2d1a0032.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-04-25 16:17           ` sean
2006-04-25 17:04             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-26 11:25             ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-04-26 12:01               ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 16:27         ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 17:11           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-04-25 17:36             ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 17:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 18:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 18:24                   ` Jakub Narebski
     [not found]             ` <20060425135250.5fd889f4.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-04-25 17:52               ` sean
2006-04-25 18:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                   ` <20060425141412.5c115f51.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-04-25 18:14                     ` sean
2006-04-25 18:26                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 18:41                         ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 18:52                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 19:00                             ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 22:17                               ` Jason Riedy
     [not found]                         ` <20060425144525.3ef957cf.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-04-25 18:45                           ` sean
2006-04-25 19:00                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 19:18                               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25 19:34                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 19:51                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25 19:58                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-26 12:42                                 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 19:00                         ` Junio C Hamano
2006-04-25 19:09                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-25 18:34                       ` Jakub Narebski
2006-04-25 23:18     ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-25 15:10 ` [RFC] [PATCH 0/5] Implement 'prior' commit object links Linus Torvalds

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