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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Martin Langhoff <martin.langhoff@gmail.com>
Cc: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>, git <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Figured out how to get Mozilla into git
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:02:34 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0606092043460.5498@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46a038f90606092041neadcc54n2acb6272d1f71de7@mail.gmail.com>



On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, Martin Langhoff wrote:
> 
> So the per-file and per-directory overhead are significant. I can do a
> cvs checkout via pserver:localhost but I don't know off-the-cuff how
> to measure the traffic. Hints?

Over localhost, you won't see the biggest issue, which is just latency.

The git protocol should be absolutely <i>wonderful</i> with bad latency, 
because once the early bakc-and-forth on what each side has is done, 
there's no synchronization any more - it's all just streaming, with 
full-frame TCP.

If :pserver: does per-file "hey, what are you up to" kind of 
syncronization, the big killer would be the latency from one end to the 
other, regardless of any throughput.

You can try to approximate the latency by just looking at the number of 
packets, and using a large MTU (and on localhost, the MTU will be pretty 
large - roughly 16kB. Don't count packet size at all, just count how many 
packets each protocol sends (both ways), ignoring packets that are just 
empty ACK's.

I don't know how to build a tcpdump expression for "TCP packet with an 
empty payload", but I bet it's possible.

[ And I won't guarantee that it's a wonderful approximation for "network 
  cost", but I think it's potentially a reasonably good one. It's totally 
  realistic to equate 32kB of _streaming_ data (two packets flowing in 
  one direction with no synchronization) with just a single byte of data 
  going back-and-forth synchronously ]

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-06-10  4:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-09  2:17 Figured out how to get Mozilla into git Jon Smirl
2006-06-09  2:56 ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-06-09  3:06 ` Martin Langhoff
2006-06-09  3:28   ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-09  7:17     ` Jakub Narebski
2006-06-09 15:01       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 16:11         ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-06-09 16:30           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:38             ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-06-09 17:49               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:10           ` Jakub Narebski
2006-06-09 18:13   ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-09 19:00     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:17       ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-09 20:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:56           ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-09 21:57             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 22:17               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 23:16               ` Greg KH
2006-06-09 23:37               ` Martin Langhoff
2006-06-09 23:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10  0:00                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-10  0:11                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10  0:16                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-10  0:45                         ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-09 20:44         ` Jakub Narebski
2006-06-09 21:05         ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-06-09 21:46           ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-10  1:23         ` Martin Langhoff
2006-06-10  1:14   ` Martin Langhoff
2006-06-10  1:33     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10  1:43       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10  1:48         ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-10  1:59           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10  2:21             ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-10  2:34               ` Carl Worth
2006-06-10  3:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10  8:21                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-06-10  9:00                     ` Junio C Hamano
2006-06-10  8:36                   ` Rogan Dawes
2006-06-10  9:08                     ` Junio C Hamano
2006-06-10 14:47                       ` Rogan Dawes
2006-06-10 14:58                         ` Jakub Narebski
2006-06-10 15:14                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-06-10 17:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 18:02                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-10 18:36                       ` Rogan Dawes
2006-06-10  3:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10  2:30             ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-10  3:41             ` Martin Langhoff
2006-06-10  3:55               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-06-10  4:02               ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-06-10  4:11                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10  6:02                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-10  6:15                     ` Junio C Hamano
2006-06-10 15:44                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-10 16:15                         ` Timo Hirvonen
2006-06-10 18:37                         ` Petr Baudis
2006-06-10 18:55                         ` Lars Johannsen
2006-06-11 22:00       ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-06-18 19:26         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-18 21:40           ` Martin Langhoff
2006-06-18 22:36             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-18 22:51               ` Broken PPC sha1.. (Re: Figured out how to get Mozilla into git) Linus Torvalds
2006-06-18 23:25                 ` [PATCH] Fix PPC SHA1 routine for large input buffers Paul Mackerras
2006-06-19  5:02                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09  3:12 ` Figured out how to get Mozilla into git Pavel Roskin

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