From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Matthew L Foster <mfoster167@yahoo.com>
Cc: Andreas Ericsson <ae@op5.se>, Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>,
git@vger.kernel.org, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: git and time
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:51:39 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609271347060.3952@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060927204428.39120.qmail@web51014.mail.yahoo.com>
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, Matthew L Foster wrote:
>
> What is the difference between a merge and a "merge then pushed out"? There are at least some
> situations where a repo would prefer to know its local time of a merge or pulled in merge and
> anyway a local repo probably should not in any way be dependent on nor _trust_ all remote repos
> timestamps...?
Look into the ref-logging. It's exactly what you ask for.
The fact is, in a distributed system, you can _never_ make sense of
"time". Just live with it. That's basic "distributed programming 101", and
it's the one thing every such course should start with on the very first
day.
So in short, you _cannot_ depend on time in a distributed environment.
Really. Stop even asking. Please.
You can ask when some local reference was changed, and we support that
already, and I pointed you to how to enable it in a repository you care
about. But it's _always_ going to be just about your local repository, the
whole question doesn't make sense any other way.
And no, it's _never_ going to tag individual merges or commits, since the
same merge or commit can show up at DIFFERENT times in different branches,
even within the same local repository.
So as long as you continue to ask for "commit times", you cannot get what
you ask for. The _only_ commit time that makes sense is the time ON THE
MACHINE that the commit was made. That's the time that git already saves
in the commit itself. And if you don't trust that timeframe, then tough
luck.
Git itself doesn't trust it, because git knows better. But it's there.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-09-27 20:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-09-26 23:23 git and time Matthew L Foster
2006-09-26 23:27 ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-09-26 23:32 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-09-26 23:33 ` Jeff King
2006-09-27 0:27 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 1:11 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-27 8:42 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-09-27 15:28 ` Jeff King
2006-09-27 14:09 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 14:29 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-09-27 18:01 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 18:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 20:44 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 20:51 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-09-27 21:16 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 21:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 21:44 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 21:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 22:28 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 22:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 23:02 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-27 23:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 0:12 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 0:21 ` Jeff King
2006-09-28 0:23 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-28 1:39 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 2:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 7:52 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-09-29 14:09 ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-09-29 14:21 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-09-28 1:23 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-28 1:48 ` Matthew L Foster
[not found] ` <20060927220404.8e216945.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-28 2:04 ` Sean
2006-09-28 2:49 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 2:43 ` David Lang
[not found] ` <20060927230330.90c63d23.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-28 3:03 ` Sean
2006-09-28 3:26 ` Tom Prince
2006-09-28 13:17 ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-28 14:50 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 15:29 ` Rogan Dawes
2006-09-28 16:55 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 17:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 17:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-28 17:33 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 17:42 ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-09-28 19:43 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 19:50 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-28 22:29 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 22:35 ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-09-28 22:55 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-29 8:16 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-09-28 18:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 19:18 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-29 0:27 ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-29 1:44 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-29 2:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-28 20:36 ` Robin Rosenberg
2006-09-28 20:46 ` A Large Angry SCM
2006-09-28 22:12 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 22:25 ` A Large Angry SCM
2006-09-28 22:31 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 22:45 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 3:07 ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-09-28 3:39 ` Tom Prince
2006-09-28 3:47 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-28 4:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-28 1:36 ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-28 2:29 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 2:51 ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-09-28 4:03 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-28 14:34 ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-09-28 16:05 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-29 22:27 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-30 4:50 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-30 7:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-30 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-30 23:04 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-10-01 0:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-01 0:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-10-01 8:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-10-01 8:37 ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-10-02 23:50 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-09-29 20:42 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-09-27 21:56 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-27 22:46 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 22:57 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-27 18:53 ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-09-27 16:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 18:00 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-09-27 18:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 20:58 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-09-27 1:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-03 0:01 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-09-27 3:34 ` Jeff King
[not found] ` <20060926234309.b16aa44e.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27 3:43 ` Sean
2006-09-27 4:50 ` Junio C Hamano
[not found] ` <20060927010437.5fa57ed0.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27 5:04 ` Sean
2006-09-27 5:52 ` Jeff King
[not found] ` <20060927021529.69fd7274.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27 6:15 ` Sean
2006-09-27 4:28 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-27 4:53 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-27 10:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-27 15:11 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-27 20:46 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-27 21:36 ` Shawn Pearce
[not found] ` <20060927002745. 15344.qmail@web51005.mail.yahoo.com>
2006-09-27 0:56 ` Sean
[not found] ` <20060926205632.5d487cc9.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27 0:47 ` David Lang
[not found] ` <20060926210721.36eb509d.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27 1:07 ` Sean
2006-09-27 1:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-27 1:31 ` David Lang
[not found] ` <20060926215836.f4a25297.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27 1:58 ` Sean
2006-09-27 2:31 ` Junio C Hamano
[not found] ` <20060926224133.714337eb.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27 2:41 ` Sean
2006-09-29 17:37 ` Jan Harkes
[not found] ` <20060929134616.7966d18c.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-29 17:46 ` Sean
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-09-28 0:49 apodtele
2006-09-28 16:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 16:50 apodtele
[not found] <20060928170110.GD3650@socrates.priv>
2006-09-28 17:30 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 18:21 apodtele
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