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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Matthew L Foster <mfoster167@yahoo.com>
Cc: Rogan Dawes <discard@dawes.za.net>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: git and time
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:11:01 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609281003070.3952@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060928165509.77413.qmail@web51001.mail.yahoo.com>



On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, Matthew L Foster wrote:
> 
> I am not saying git should "police any one else's clocks", I am saying git should be designed or
> configured in such a way, using local time, that it obviates the current reliance on everyone
> else's clock being set correctly. 

Matt!

THERE IS NO SUCH RELIANCE! NONE.

Trust me. When we say that git ignores time, WE MEAN IT. Git does not rely 
on time, git does not use time, git does not CARE!

Please stop looking at gitweb _immediately_. If you think time has some 
meaning for git, stop. It doesn't. We've told you over and over and over 
again that there is absolutely _zero_ reliance on everybody else's clock 
being set correctly. The damn clock could go _backwards_, or make huge 
jumping purple leaps of imagination, and git wouldn't care.

The time that git records is purely a random number. It's a random number 
that _humans_ can choose to care about or not, and it's a random number 
that git itself uses only in the sense of "ok, I've got two equal choices, 
let's toss a coin to select which one I'll look at next", BUT IT IS A 
RANDOM NUMBER.

Please.

Download a local git archive, and run "gitk" on that archive. Then _hide_ 
the time column (just so that it doesn't confuse you), and then _look_ at 
the leftmost column which shows the CAUSALITY DAG!

THAT is what git actually cares about. It's the _only_ thing that git 
cares about. Git cares about _causality_, not time. Nothing else matters.

Really. Truly, pretty please, I promise you, cross my heart and hope to 
die! Scouts honor. Lock it up and throw away the key. It's TRUE.

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-28 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-26 23:23 git and time Matthew L Foster
2006-09-26 23:27 ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-09-26 23:32 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-09-26 23:33 ` Jeff King
2006-09-27  0:27   ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27  1:11     ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-27  8:42       ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-09-27 15:28         ` Jeff King
2006-09-27 14:09       ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 14:29         ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-09-27 18:01           ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 18:10             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 20:44               ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 20:51                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 21:16                   ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 21:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 21:44                   ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 21:48                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 22:28                       ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 22:54                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 23:02                           ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-27 23:14                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28  0:12                             ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28  0:21                               ` Jeff King
2006-09-28  0:23                               ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-28  1:39                                 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28  2:21                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29  7:52                                     ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-09-29 14:09                                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-09-29 14:21                                         ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-09-28  1:23                               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-28  1:48                                 ` Matthew L Foster
     [not found]                                   ` <20060927220404.8e216945.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-28  2:04                                     ` Sean
2006-09-28  2:49                                       ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28  2:43                                         ` David Lang
     [not found]                                         ` <20060927230330.90c63d23.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-28  3:03                                           ` Sean
2006-09-28  3:26                                         ` Tom Prince
2006-09-28 13:17                                     ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-28 14:50                                       ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 15:29                                         ` Rogan Dawes
2006-09-28 16:55                                           ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 17:11                                             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-09-28 17:28                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-28 17:33                                               ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 17:42                                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-09-28 19:43                                                   ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 19:50                                                     ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-28 22:29                                                       ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 22:35                                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-09-28 22:55                                                           ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-29  8:16                                                     ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-09-28 18:01                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 19:18                                                   ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-29  0:27                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-29  1:44                                                       ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-29  2:28                                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-28 20:36                                               ` Robin Rosenberg
2006-09-28 20:46                                             ` A Large Angry SCM
2006-09-28 22:12                                               ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 22:25                                                 ` A Large Angry SCM
2006-09-28 22:31                                                   ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 22:45                                                   ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28  3:07                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-09-28  3:39                                   ` Tom Prince
2006-09-28  3:47                                     ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-28  4:07                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-28  1:36                               ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-28  2:29                                 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28  2:51                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-09-28  4:03                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-28 14:34                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-09-28 16:05                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-29 22:27                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-30  4:50                                           ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-30  7:28                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-30 17:36                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-30 23:04                                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-10-01  0:13                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-01  0:24                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2006-10-01  8:07                                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-10-01  8:37                                                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-10-02 23:50                                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-09-29 20:42                         ` Jakub Narebski
2006-09-27 21:56                     ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-27 22:46                       ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-27 22:57                         ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-27 18:53             ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-09-27 16:29         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 18:00           ` Edgar Toernig
2006-09-27 18:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 20:58       ` Jakub Narebski
2006-09-27  1:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-03  0:01       ` Jakub Narebski
2006-09-27  3:34     ` Jeff King
     [not found]       ` <20060926234309.b16aa44e.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27  3:43         ` Sean
2006-09-27  4:50           ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]             ` <20060927010437.5fa57ed0.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27  5:04               ` Sean
2006-09-27  5:52               ` Jeff King
     [not found]                 ` <20060927021529.69fd7274.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27  6:15                   ` Sean
2006-09-27  4:28         ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-27  4:53           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-27 10:13           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-27 15:11             ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-27 20:46               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-27 21:36                 ` Shawn Pearce
     [not found]   ` <20060927002745. 15344.qmail@web51005.mail.yahoo.com>
2006-09-27  0:56     ` Sean
     [not found]       ` <20060926205632.5d487cc9.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27  0:47         ` David Lang
     [not found]           ` <20060926210721.36eb509d.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27  1:07             ` Sean
2006-09-27  1:34           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-09-27  1:31             ` David Lang
     [not found]               ` <20060926215836.f4a25297.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27  1:58                 ` Sean
2006-09-27  2:31               ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                 ` <20060926224133.714337eb.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-27  2:41                   ` Sean
2006-09-29 17:37                   ` Jan Harkes
     [not found]                     ` <20060929134616.7966d18c.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-09-29 17:46                       ` Sean
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-09-28  0:49 apodtele
2006-09-28 16:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 16:50 apodtele
     [not found] <20060928170110.GD3650@socrates.priv>
2006-09-28 17:30 ` Matthew L Foster
2006-09-28 18:21 apodtele

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