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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: "Karl Hasselström" <kha@treskal.com>
Cc: Andy Whitcroft <apw@shadowen.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Allow hand-editing of patches before sending
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 08:44:13 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611050831250.25218@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061105114353.GB19707@diana.vm.bytemark.co.uk>

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On Sun, 5 Nov 2006, Karl Hasselström wrote:
> 
> So the right thing to do would be to teach StGIT to generate
> 8bit-encoded output, and trust the SMTP transfer path do mangle it
> correctly? (Hmm. No, since StGIT talks directly with the first SMTP
> server in the chain, it needs to be able to QP-encode the mail itself
> if necessary -- but it should seldom be necessary, then.)

Right. You could even just consider it an error if the mailserver doesn't 
reply to EHLO with 8BITMIME, I really think it's that rare.

> In that case, the problem with the current implementation (without my
> patch applied) is likely to be that it fails to provide the headers
> needed for the SMTP path to be able to transform it losslessly.

I _think_ it should be sufficient to just set the Content-Type and 
Content-Transfer-Encoding to say something like "text/plain; charset=UTF8" 
and "8bit" respectively. But somebody who know the SMTP rules better 
should check.

HOWEVER:

>   Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand
>           id S1750700AbWJVMCV (ORCPT <rfc822;kha-list-git@hemma.treskal.com>);
>           Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:02:21 -0400
>   X-Warning: Original message contained 8-bit characters, however during
>              the SMTP transport session the receiving system did not announce
>              capability of receiving 8-bit SMTP (RFC 1651-1653), and as this
>              message does not have MIME headers (RFC 2045-2049) to enable
>              encoding change, we had very little choice.

This does seem to say that somebody didn't even announce 8-bit capability 
in the first place. That's a zmailer error message, and it does imply that 
somebody was running a bad server.

That said, _if_ your message had had the proper mime-type specifiers, then 
zmailer would happily have QP-converted the message for you, so everything 
would have been fine.

> The mail server (vger talking to itself, if the Received: headers were
> added in order) complained that there were no MIME headers, so it had
> to guess the charset.

vger itself? Strange.

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-05 16:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-01  9:00 [PATCH] Allow hand-editing of patches before sending Karl Hasselström
2006-11-02 10:32 ` Catalin Marinas
2006-11-02 11:36   ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-03  9:39     ` Catalin Marinas
2006-11-03  9:58       ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-03 10:01         ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-03 10:21           ` Petr Baudis
2006-11-03 10:31             ` Robin Rosenberg
2006-11-03 10:36             ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-11-03 10:53               ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-03 11:21                 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-11-03 11:35                   ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-03 12:56                   ` Catalin Marinas
2006-11-03 12:07           ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-03 12:36             ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-03 14:03             ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-03 18:48               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-05 11:43                 ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-05 16:44                   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-11-05 19:04                     ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-05 19:29                       ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-06  7:45                         ` [PATCH] Add a MIME-Version header to e-mails Karl Hasselström
2006-11-06  7:56                           ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-07  9:53                           ` Catalin Marinas
2006-11-07 19:09                             ` Catalin Marinas
2006-11-08  8:40                               ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-08  9:41                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2006-11-08 10:01                                   ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-08 10:12                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2006-11-12 21:14                                       ` [StGIT PATCH 0/2] mail and import tests Karl Hasselström
2006-11-12 21:15                                         ` [StGIT PATCH 1/2] Regression test for "stg import" Karl Hasselström
2006-11-12 21:15                                         ` [StGIT PATCH 2/2] Regression test for "stg mail" Karl Hasselström
2006-11-11 12:24                               ` [PATCH] Add a MIME-Version header to e-mails Karl Hasselström
2006-11-16 17:24                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2006-11-03 12:44         ` [PATCH] Allow hand-editing of patches before sending Catalin Marinas
2006-11-03 13:02           ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-03 13:16             ` Catalin Marinas
2006-11-03 13:25               ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-03 13:25             ` Catalin Marinas
2006-11-03 13:33               ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-03 13:42                 ` Karl Hasselström
2006-11-03 13:56                 ` Catalin Marinas
2006-11-03 14:37                   ` Catalin Marinas
2006-11-03 13:39               ` Petr Baudis
2006-11-03 14:01                 ` Catalin Marinas

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