From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Johannes Schindelin Subject: Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summary continued Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:04:47 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: References: <8fe92b430710081355i7d3dbaa2q9a8939b55d7ca7dc@mail.gmail.com> <8fe92b430710121508g13917080mac156250abfccf20@mail.gmail.com> <20071013125845.GA31659@planck.djpig.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Jakub Narebski , git@vger.kernel.org To: Frank Lichtenheld X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Sat Oct 13 15:06:12 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IgggJ-0004TS-2c for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:05:50 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755159AbXJMNEw (ORCPT ); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:04:52 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755085AbXJMNEw (ORCPT ); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:04:52 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:60176 "HELO mail.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1754070AbXJMNEv (ORCPT ); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:04:51 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Oct 2007 13:04:49 -0000 Received: from wbgn013.biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de (EHLO openvpn-client) [132.187.25.13] by mail.gmx.net (mp030) with SMTP; 13 Oct 2007 15:04:49 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1490710 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/V1XAcxJ3VpRJCx48z9k9L38u+G/oiPzfb8jvV/H /URpCcV0mAUgxA X-X-Sender: gene099@racer.site In-Reply-To: <20071013125845.GA31659@planck.djpig.de> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Hi, On Sat, 13 Oct 2007, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > On Sat, Oct 13, 2007 at 01:46:40AM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2007, Jakub Narebski wrote: > > > Figure out why people find git hard to learn and eliminate those > > > barriers to entry. Make git more task-oriented rather than > > > data-model-oriented the way it is now. > > > > Frankly, expectations like these make me want to bang somebody's head > > on the wall. Why do people expect others to work for them for free? > > Hard? > > It's called "User". And since this is the Git _User's_ Survey, I guess > you will have to live with that. And anyway, where in the above you find > something about "expectation" rather than "suggestion"? "Figure out" sounds to me like an imperative. But my real point is: these guys know exactly what they find hard in git. Why don't they just come and tell us? Just like Carl Worth did, way back when. And it worked, didn't it? Git 1.5 is vastly more user friendly than pre 1.5. Ciao, Dscho