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From: Peter Karlsson <peter@softwolves.pp.se>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mark Junker <mjscod@web.de>, Pedro Melo <melo@simplicidade.org>,
	"git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:19:21 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801181114430.817@ds9.cixit.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801171100330.14959@woody.linux-foundation.org>

Linus Torvalds:

> But that's exactly the case he gave - 'ä' vs 'a¨' are exactly that: 
> different strings (not even characters: the second is actually a 
> multi-character) that just look the same.

But they are not different strings, they are canonically equivalent as
far as Unicode is concerned. They're even supposed to map to the same
glyph (if the font has an "ä", it should display it in both cases, if
it has an "a" and a combining diaeresis, it should make up one).

You cannot do a binary comparison of text to see if two strings are
equivalent.

> You try to twist the argument by just claiming that they are the same
> "character". They aren't, unless you *define* character to be the
> same as "glyph".

Whereas you are confusing characters and code points.

"ä" and "a¨" use different code points, but they encode the same
character, and from the user's perspective it is the *character* that
is interesting (although he might confuse it with the glyph).


> I don't know how NTFS works (I know it is Unicode-aware, and I think
> it encodes filenames in UCS-2 or possibly UTF-16,

Actually, NTFS is a bit broken. It sees file names as a string of
16-bit words. It doesn't check that it is valid UTF-16, or even valid
UCS-2, it allows almost anything.


Apple made Mac OS X handle filenames properly, by seeing that file
names are a string of characters, not code points, so they use a
canonical form for all characters (personally, I would have preferred
the pre-composed form, though).

-- 
\\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-18 10:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 260+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-16 15:17 git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names Mark Junker
2008-01-16 15:34 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-16 15:43   ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 16:32     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-16 16:46       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-16 20:39         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 21:51           ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-16 22:06             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 22:23               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-16 23:16                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 22:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 22:52                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 23:11                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 23:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 23:57                     ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17  0:16                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  0:27                         ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17  0:32                           ` David Kastrup
2008-01-17  0:40                             ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17  0:54                               ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17  1:08                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17  1:41                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  4:07                                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17  0:35                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17  0:45                             ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-18  8:29                         ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 11:16                           ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-16 23:58                     ` David Kastrup
2008-01-17  0:19                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  0:09                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17  0:25                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  0:33                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17  0:43                           ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17  0:57                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17  1:06                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  1:16                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  3:52                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17  4:08                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17  4:30                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17  4:51                               ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-17  5:23                                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17  6:13                                   ` Geert Bosch
2008-01-17  7:11                                     ` Mitch Tishmack
2008-01-17 10:22                                       ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 13:44                                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 15:57                                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 16:53                                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-18  0:44                                               ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-17 14:02                                     ` Andrew Heybey
2008-01-17 15:04                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-19 19:29                                         ` Kyle Moffett
2008-01-19 19:57                                           ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 10:08                             ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 16:43                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 18:09                                 ` Mark Junker
2008-01-17 18:12                                   ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 18:18                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 18:36                                       ` Mark Junker
2008-01-17 18:38                                       ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 18:44                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 19:02                                       ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 18:42                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 18:50                                     ` Mark Junker
2008-01-17 18:52                                     ` Pedro Melo
     [not found]                                       ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801 171100330.14959@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2008-01-17 19:01                                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-17 19:11                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18  0:18                                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-18  0:35                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18  1:05                                         ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-18  1:24                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18  4:08                                             ` Brian Dessent
2008-01-18  8:49                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-18  9:42                                             ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-18 10:30                                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-18 15:37                                                 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 17:24                                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-18 10:19                                         ` Peter Karlsson [this message]
2008-01-18 10:50                                           ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-18 15:30                                             ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 17:11                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18 20:24                                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-19  8:48                                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-19 14:55                                                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-19 21:17                                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-19 18:58                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-19 20:39                                                   ` Mark Junker
2008-01-19 22:58                                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-20  6:14                                                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-20  6:53                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20 13:15                                                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-20  0:11                                                   ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-20  1:04                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20  5:27                                                       ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-20  5:45                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20  7:00                                                           ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-20  7:26                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20  8:00                                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-20  8:12                                                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-20  9:34                                                       ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-18 20:28                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18 20:50                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-23  2:46                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-01-23  2:57                                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-23 14:26                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-01-23 21:19                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-21 14:14                                             ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-21 16:43                                               ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 16:48                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 16:59                                                   ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:43                                                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 20:53                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 21:05                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 23:01                                                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 16:53                                                 ` Jeff King
2008-01-21 17:08                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-01-21 17:25                                                   ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:35                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 20:32                                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 18:12                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 19:05                                                   ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 19:41                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 19:58                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:33                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 20:53                                                           ` Kevin Ballard
     [not found]                                                             ` <alpine.LFD.1.0! 0.0801211323120.2957@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2008-01-21 20:58                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 21:17                                                             ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:28                                                               ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 21:43                                                                 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:33                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 21:49                                                               ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 22:34                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 22:46                                                                   ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 22:56                                                                     ` Martin Langhoff
     [not found]                                                                       ` <53C76BEA-2232-4940-8776-9DF1880089A4@sb.org>
2008-01-21 23:05                                                                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:16                                                                         ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22  0:30                                                                           ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:00                                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 23:09                                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:44                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22  0:47                                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22  1:01                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22  1:13                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22  2:33                                                                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22  2:50                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22  3:04                                                                                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22  3:17                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22  3:21                                                                                   ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22  4:22                                                                                     ` Kevin Ballard
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <20080122133427.GB17804@mit.edu>
2008-01-23  0:08                                                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23  0:38                                                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23  1:47                                                                                         ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23  2:06                                                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23  8:45                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-01-23  0:38                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-23  1:14                                                                                         ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23  1:16                                                                                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23  1:27                                                                                           ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23  1:33                                                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23  1:56                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-23  2:02                                                                                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23  6:41                                                                                           ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-23  8:15                                                                                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23  8:43                                                                                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23  9:02                                                                                                 ` Jonathan del Strother
2008-01-23  9:12                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23  9:19                                                                                                     ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-23  9:32                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23  9:40                                                                                               ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-23 13:38                                                                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 16:16                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-23 17:12                                                                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 17:19                                                                                                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 17:32                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-24 21:02                                                                                                         ` On pathnames Junio C Hamano
2008-01-24 22:31                                                                                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-01-25  3:55                                                                                                             ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-25  4:18                                                                                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-25  4:12                                                                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-25  8:08                                                                                                               ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-25 12:25                                                                                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25 12:50                                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-25 12:53                                                                                                                 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-24 23:56                                                                                                           ` Sean
2008-01-25  0:36                                                                                                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25  4:00                                                                                                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-01-25  4:21                                                                                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-25 11:36                                                                                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25 16:25                                                                                                                 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-01-25 17:34                                                                                                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25  5:59                                                                                                             ` Jeff King
2008-01-23 20:18                                                                                                       ` git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names Jay Soffian
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` <1DC841ED-634F-412C-9560-F37E4172A4CD@sb.org>
     [not found]                                                                                                           ` <76718490801231421l7b6552f8sec13f570360198b@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <4F906435-A186-4E98-8865-F185D75F14D4@sb.org>
     [not found]                                                                                                               ` <76718490801231517h6d57e5bfkc19d394d38ad19db@mail.gmail.com>
2008-01-24  2:05                                                                                                                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-24  3:11                                                                                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-24  4:37                                                                                                                     ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-24  5:30                                                                                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-24  6:39                                                                                                                         ` Steffen Prohaska
2008-01-24 18:17                                                                                                                           ` Mitch Tishmack
2008-01-24 18:52                                                                                                                           ` Mitch Tishmack
2008-01-24 19:58                                                                                                                             ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 23:37                                                                                                       ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23 16:58                                                                                                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 17:39                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23 17:47                                                                                                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 19:57                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 20:01                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:15                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 20:31                                                           ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:46                                                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 20:59                                                               ` Kevin Ballard
     [not found]                                                               ` <6E303071-82A4-4D69-AA0C-EC41168B9AFE@sb.org>
2008-01-21 21:18                                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 21:43                                                                   ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 21:49                                                                     ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:57                                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22  0:36                                                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-22  0:42                                                                           ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22  0:48                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-01-22  1:06                                                                             ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22  1:34                                                                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-22  1:53                                                                               ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22  2:03                                                                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-21 22:38                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-01-22  2:34                                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22  7:51                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 20:56                                                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 21:07                                                       ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 22:41                                                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 22:53                                                           ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:21                                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 19:44                                                   ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-21 20:36                                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 21:06                                                   ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:09                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 21:42                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 22:45                                                       ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 20:30                                                 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 18:16                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 21:27                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-17 22:01                                 ` JM Ibanez
2008-01-17 22:09                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-18  1:27                                     ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-17 23:05                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 23:10                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-16 23:52           ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-16 22:37       ` Eyvind Bernhardsen
2008-01-16 23:03     ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17  7:29     ` Miles Bader
2008-01-17  4:43 ` Jay Soffian
2008-01-17  4:59   ` Jay Soffian
2008-01-17  5:15     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-17 10:28       ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 11:10         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 11:23           ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 11:51             ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 12:53               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 13:40                 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 17:58               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-17 18:22                 ` Johan Herland
2008-01-17 13:05             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 11:46           ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17  5:11   ` Linus Torvalds

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