From: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
david@lang.hm, Stephen Clark <sclark46@earthlink.net>,
Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
jesper.juhl@gmail.com, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, jeff@garzik.org,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
git@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Reporting bugs and bisection
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:54:00 +1000 (EST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Xine.LNX.4.64.0804150131300.4160@us.intercode.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080414072328.GW9785@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Al Viro wrote:
> Real review of code in tree and patches getting into the tree.
There is currently little incentive for developers to perform review.
It's difficult work, and is generally not rewarded or recognized, except
in often quite negative ways. There is a small handful of people who do a
lot of review, but they are exceptional in various ways.
OTOH, writing code is relatively simple, and is much more highly rewarded:
- People tend to get paid to write kernel code, but not so much to review
it.
- Things like "who made the kernel" statistics and related articles ignore
code review.
- Creating new features is perceived as the highest form of contribution
for general developers, and likely important as career currency
(similar to the publish or perish model in the academic world).
I don't know how to solve this, but suspect that encouraging the use of
reviewed-by and also including it in things like analysis of who is
contributing, selection for kernel summit invitations etc. would be a
start. At least, better than nothing.
- James
--
James Morris
<jmorris@namei.org>
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2008-04-13 23:51 ` Reporting bugs and bisection david
2008-04-14 0:36 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-14 4:39 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14 5:39 ` Al Viro
2008-04-14 6:24 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 6:39 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 6:43 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 7:23 ` Al Viro
2008-04-14 7:43 ` Al Viro
2008-04-14 8:04 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 8:30 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 9:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14 9:46 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 5:25 ` Bill Fink
2008-04-14 10:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:41 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 17:35 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-04-14 12:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 14:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:51 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 18:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 19:30 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-14 15:54 ` James Morris [this message]
2008-04-14 22:01 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 23:05 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15 4:55 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-15 13:18 ` Work WAS(Re: " jamal
2008-04-15 9:33 ` David Newall
2008-04-15 9:54 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-15 14:04 ` David Newall
2008-04-15 20:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 2:34 ` David Newall
2008-04-16 3:53 ` david
2008-04-16 9:06 ` David Newall
2008-04-16 11:02 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:41 ` Stephen Clark
2008-04-16 4:29 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 12:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 12:15 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 13:26 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:02 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-16 19:43 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 19:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-17 13:50 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-04-17 15:26 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:58 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-16 20:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 19:39 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 20:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 21:05 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 21:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:04 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 20:55 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-16 21:17 ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-17 17:04 ` David Newall
2008-04-17 19:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-17 19:35 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 19:57 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-17 20:16 ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 20:38 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 20:53 ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 21:01 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-14 19:13 ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 20:38 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:18 ` Rene Herman
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