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From: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
To: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/13] Documentation: describe incremental MIDX bitmaps
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:26:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z8JGNQZolfs7fm65@nand.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z8GJYMbXMZqI5fUL@pks.im>

On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 11:01:04AM +0100, Patrick Steinhardt wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 05:07:19PM -0500, Taylor Blau wrote:
> > diff --git a/Documentation/technical/multi-pack-index.txt b/Documentation/technical/multi-pack-index.txt
> > index cc063b30bea..a063262c360 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/technical/multi-pack-index.txt
> > +++ b/Documentation/technical/multi-pack-index.txt
> > @@ -164,6 +164,70 @@ objects_nr($H2) + objects_nr($H1) + i
> >  (in the C implementation, this is often computed as `i +
> >  m->num_objects_in_base`).
> >
> > +=== Pseudo-pack order for incremental MIDXs
> > +
> > +The original implementation of multi-pack reachability bitmaps defined
> > +the pseudo-pack order in linkgit:gitformat-pack[5] (see the section
> > +titled "multi-pack-index reverse indexes") roughly as follows:
> > +
> > +____
> > +In short, a MIDX's pseudo-pack is the de-duplicated concatenation of
> > +objects in packs stored by the MIDX, laid out in pack order, and the
> > +packs arranged in MIDX order (with the preferred pack coming first).
> > +____
> > +
> > +In the incremental MIDX design, we extend this definition to include
> > +objects from multiple layers of the MIDX chain. The pseudo-pack order
> > +for incremental MIDXs is determined by concatenating the pseudo-pack
> > +ordering for each layer of the MIDX chain in order. Formally two objects
> > +`o1` and `o2` are compared as follows:
> > +
> > +1. If `o1` appears in an earlier layer of the MIDX chain than `o2`, then
> > +  `o1` is considered less than `o2`.
>
> Just as a refresher for myself: what is the consequence of an object
> `o1` sorting earlier than `o2`? In the case where those refer to
> different objects it is only used to establish the pseudo-pack order so
> that we know how to interpret the bitmaps. But in the case where those
> two objects refer to the same underlying object, e.g. because the object
> is contained in two packs, it also impacts which of both objects would
> be preferred e.g. during a clone, right?

Great question -- the pseudo-pack order here is how we translate the set
of objects in a MIDX into their corresponding bit positions in the
bitmap.

So if "o1" sorts ahead of "o2", that means that "o1" will appear in an
earlier bit position than "o2". But note that we're talking about
objects in a MIDX chain here, comprised of objects from each MIDX'd layer of
that chain. So by that point the duplicates have already been filtered
out, since:

  - The MIDX only stores one copy of an object in any given MIDX, and

  - The incremental MIDX design avoids putting objects from earlier
    layers in later ones.

I tried to get at this a few lines up with "[...] a MIDX's pseudo-pack
is the de-duplicated concatenation of [...]" to make clear that o1 != o2
here. But let me know if you think I should clarify or emphasize that
point further.

> > +2. Otherwise, if `o1` and `o2` appear in the same MIDX layer, and that
> > +  MIDX layer has no base, then If one of `pack(o1)` and `pack(o2)` is
>
> s/If/if

Great catch, thanks!

> > +  preferred and the other is not, then the preferred one sorts first. If
> > +  there is a base layer (i.e. the MIDX layer is not the first layer in
> > +  the chain), then if `pack(o1)` appears earlier in that MIDX layer's
> > +  pack order, than `o1` is less than `o2`. Likewise if `pack(o2)`
> > +  appears earlier, than the opposite is true.
>
> Another question for my own understanding: why is it relevant whether we
> have a base or not? I would have expected that the case where the
> objects appear in two different layers is already covered by (1), so
> from thereon we only need to care about two objects existing in the same
> layer.

Good question. Throughout this design I'm trying to get rid of the
concept of a "preferred" pack with respect to the MIDX. Before
multi-pack reuse existed, the idea behind having a preferred pack was
that it was a way to indicate which pack we should prioritize for
pack-reuse.

But now that we can reuse objects from any pack stored in a MIDX, the
concept of a preferred pack doesn't need to exist. It still makes some
sense (if you want to use single-pack reuse for some reason, etc.) but
I'm trying to push us away from it.

So to answer your question of "why does it matter if there is a base
or not?" the reason is that this series treats the preferred pack as a
property of the chain instead of the individual layers. And the
mention of it here is to differentiate between how we compare packs in
the base (favoring the preferred pack) versus subsequent layers
(reflecting the pack order within that layer).

> > +3. Otherwise, `o1` and `o2` appear in the same pack, and thus in the
> > +  same MIDX layer. Sort `o1` and `o2` by their offset within their
> > +  containing packfile.
> > +
> > +=== Reachability bitmaps and incremental MIDXs
> > +
> > +Each layer of an incremental MIDX chain may have its objects (and the
> > +objects from any previous layer in the same MIDX chain) represented in
> > +its own `*.bitmap` file.
> > +
> > +The structure of a `*.bitmap` file belonging to an incremental MIDX
> > +chain is identical to that of a non-incremental MIDX bitmap, or a
> > +classic single-pack bitmap. Since objects are added to the end of the
> > +incremental MIDX's pseudo-pack order (see: above), it is possible to
> > +extend a bitmap when appending to the end of a MIDX chain.
> > +
> > +(Note: it is possible likewise to compress a contiguous sequence of MIDX
> > +incremental layers, and their `*.bitmap`(s) into a single layer and
> > +`*.bitmap`, but this is not yet implemented.)
>
> Fair. What do we currently do in this context? Do we just keep on
> appending layer after layer?

That's right. At this point in the project we only know how to append
layers and compress the whole chain into a single layer. But
fundamentally it is possible to compress any contiguous sub-sequence of
the chain into a single layer, and part three of this project will do
just that.

Thanks,
Taylor

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-28 23:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-15 21:01 [PATCH 00/13] midx: incremental multi-pack indexes, part two Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 01/13] Documentation: describe incremental MIDX bitmaps Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 02/13] pack-revindex: prepare for " Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 03/13] pack-bitmap.c: open and store incremental bitmap layers Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 04/13] pack-bitmap.c: teach `bitmap_for_commit()` about incremental MIDXs Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 05/13] pack-bitmap.c: teach `show_objects_for_type()` " Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 06/13] pack-bitmap.c: support bitmap pack-reuse with " Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 07/13] pack-bitmap.c: teach `rev-list --test-bitmap` about " Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 08/13] pack-bitmap.c: compute disk-usage with " Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 09/13] pack-bitmap.c: apply pseudo-merge commits " Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 10/13] ewah: implement `struct ewah_or_iterator` Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 11/13] pack-bitmap.c: keep track of each layer's type bitmaps Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 12/13] pack-bitmap.c: use `ewah_or_iterator` for type bitmap iterators Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 21:01 ` [PATCH 13/13] midx: implement writing incremental MIDX bitmaps Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:28 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] midx: incremental multi-pack indexes, part two Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:28   ` [PATCH v2 01/13] Documentation: describe incremental MIDX bitmaps Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:28   ` [PATCH v2 02/13] pack-revindex: prepare for " Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:28   ` [PATCH v2 03/13] pack-bitmap.c: open and store incremental bitmap layers Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:29   ` [PATCH v2 04/13] pack-bitmap.c: teach `bitmap_for_commit()` about incremental MIDXs Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:29   ` [PATCH v2 05/13] pack-bitmap.c: teach `show_objects_for_type()` " Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:29   ` [PATCH v2 06/13] pack-bitmap.c: support bitmap pack-reuse with " Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:29   ` [PATCH v2 07/13] pack-bitmap.c: teach `rev-list --test-bitmap` about " Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:29   ` [PATCH v2 08/13] pack-bitmap.c: compute disk-usage with " Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:29   ` [PATCH v2 09/13] pack-bitmap.c: apply pseudo-merge commits " Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:29   ` [PATCH v2 10/13] ewah: implement `struct ewah_or_iterator` Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:29   ` [PATCH v2 11/13] pack-bitmap.c: keep track of each layer's type bitmaps Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:29   ` [PATCH v2 12/13] pack-bitmap.c: use `ewah_or_iterator` for type bitmap iterators Taylor Blau
2024-08-15 22:29   ` [PATCH v2 13/13] midx: implement writing incremental MIDX bitmaps Taylor Blau
2024-08-28 17:55     ` [PATCH] fixup! " Junio C Hamano
2024-08-28 18:33       ` Jeff King
2024-08-29 18:57         ` Taylor Blau
2024-08-29 19:27           ` Jeff King
2024-11-19 20:56             ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-19 22:07 ` [PATCH v3 00/13] midx: incremental multi-pack indexes, part two Taylor Blau
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 01/13] Documentation: describe incremental MIDX bitmaps Taylor Blau
2025-02-28 10:01     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-02-28 23:26       ` Taylor Blau [this message]
2025-03-03 10:54         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 02/13] pack-revindex: prepare for " Taylor Blau
2025-02-28 10:01     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-02-28 23:39       ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 03/13] pack-bitmap.c: open and store incremental bitmap layers Taylor Blau
2025-02-28 10:01     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-02-28 23:49       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-03 10:55         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 04/13] pack-bitmap.c: teach `bitmap_for_commit()` about incremental MIDXs Taylor Blau
2025-02-28 10:01     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-03-01  0:12       ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 05/13] pack-bitmap.c: teach `show_objects_for_type()` " Taylor Blau
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 06/13] pack-bitmap.c: support bitmap pack-reuse with " Taylor Blau
2025-02-28 10:01     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-03-01  0:16       ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 07/13] pack-bitmap.c: teach `rev-list --test-bitmap` about " Taylor Blau
2025-02-28 10:01     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-03-01  0:19       ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 08/13] pack-bitmap.c: compute disk-usage with " Taylor Blau
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 09/13] pack-bitmap.c: apply pseudo-merge commits " Taylor Blau
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 10/13] ewah: implement `struct ewah_or_iterator` Taylor Blau
2025-02-28 10:01     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-03-01  0:22       ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 11/13] pack-bitmap.c: keep track of each layer's type bitmaps Taylor Blau
2025-02-28 10:01     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-03-01  0:26       ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 12/13] pack-bitmap.c: use `ewah_or_iterator` for type bitmap iterators Taylor Blau
2025-02-28 10:01     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-03-01  0:28       ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-19 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 13/13] midx: implement writing incremental MIDX bitmaps Taylor Blau
2025-02-28 10:01     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-03-01  0:31       ` Taylor Blau
2024-11-20  8:49   ` [PATCH v3 00/13] midx: incremental multi-pack indexes, part two Junio C Hamano
2025-03-14 20:18 ` [PATCH v4 " Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:18   ` [PATCH v4 01/13] Documentation: describe incremental MIDX bitmaps Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  1:16     ` Jeff King
2025-03-18 23:11       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  2:42     ` Elijah Newren
2025-03-18 23:19       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:18   ` [PATCH v4 02/13] pack-revindex: prepare for " Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  1:27     ` Jeff King
2025-03-19  0:02       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-19  0:07         ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-26 18:08           ` Jeff King
2025-03-18  2:43     ` Elijah Newren
2025-03-19  0:03       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:18   ` [PATCH v4 03/13] pack-bitmap.c: open and store incremental bitmap layers Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  4:13     ` Elijah Newren
2025-03-19  0:08       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:18   ` [PATCH v4 04/13] pack-bitmap.c: teach `bitmap_for_commit()` about incremental MIDXs Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  1:38     ` Jeff King
2025-03-19  0:13       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:18   ` [PATCH v4 05/13] pack-bitmap.c: teach `show_objects_for_type()` " Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:18   ` [PATCH v4 06/13] pack-bitmap.c: support bitmap pack-reuse with " Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  4:13     ` Elijah Newren
2025-03-19  0:17       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:18   ` [PATCH v4 07/13] pack-bitmap.c: teach `rev-list --test-bitmap` about " Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  5:31     ` Elijah Newren
2025-03-19  0:30       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:18   ` [PATCH v4 08/13] pack-bitmap.c: compute disk-usage with " Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  1:41     ` Jeff King
2025-03-19  0:30       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:18   ` [PATCH v4 09/13] pack-bitmap.c: apply pseudo-merge commits " Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:18   ` [PATCH v4 10/13] ewah: implement `struct ewah_or_iterator` Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  1:44     ` Jeff King
2025-03-19  0:33       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:18   ` [PATCH v4 11/13] pack-bitmap.c: keep track of each layer's type bitmaps Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  2:01     ` Jeff King
2025-03-19  0:38       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  6:43     ` Elijah Newren
2025-03-19  0:39       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:18   ` [PATCH v4 12/13] pack-bitmap.c: use `ewah_or_iterator` for type bitmap iterators Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  2:05     ` Jeff King
2025-03-19 23:02       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-14 20:19   ` [PATCH v4 13/13] midx: implement writing incremental MIDX bitmaps Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  2:16     ` Jeff King
2025-03-20  0:14       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-18 17:13     ` Elijah Newren
2025-03-20  0:16       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-18  2:21   ` [PATCH v4 00/13] midx: incremental multi-pack indexes, part two Jeff King
2025-03-20  0:18     ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56 ` [PATCH v5 00/14] " Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56   ` [PATCH v5 01/14] Documentation: remove a "future work" item from the MIDX docs Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56   ` [PATCH v5 02/14] Documentation: describe incremental MIDX bitmaps Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56   ` [PATCH v5 03/14] pack-revindex: prepare for " Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56   ` [PATCH v5 04/14] pack-bitmap.c: open and store incremental bitmap layers Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56   ` [PATCH v5 05/14] pack-bitmap.c: teach `bitmap_for_commit()` about incremental MIDXs Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56   ` [PATCH v5 06/14] pack-bitmap.c: teach `show_objects_for_type()` " Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56   ` [PATCH v5 07/14] pack-bitmap.c: support bitmap pack-reuse with " Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56   ` [PATCH v5 08/14] pack-bitmap.c: teach `rev-list --test-bitmap` about " Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56     ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:58       ` Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56   ` [PATCH v5 09/14] pack-bitmap.c: compute disk-usage with " Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56   ` [PATCH v5 10/14] pack-bitmap.c: apply pseudo-merge commits " Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:56   ` [PATCH v5 11/14] ewah: implement `struct ewah_or_iterator` Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 12/14] pack-bitmap.c: keep track of each layer's type bitmaps Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 13/14] pack-bitmap.c: use `ewah_or_iterator` for type bitmap iterators Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 14/14] midx: implement writing incremental MIDX bitmaps Taylor Blau
2025-03-20 20:00   ` [PATCH v5 00/14] midx: incremental multi-pack indexes, part two Elijah Newren

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