* What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? @ 2023-03-23 19:26 Jakub Narębski 2023-03-23 20:26 ` Taylor Blau 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Jakub Narębski @ 2023-03-23 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: git Hello, Could you tell me what is the status of the Abhradeep Chakraborty work in integrating roaring bitmaps (using CRoaring) in addition to, or replacing current EWAH bitmaps (using ewok)? The last communication about this shows that the patches were on the road to being merged in, see e.g. https://medium.com/@abhra303/gsoc-final-report-feaaacfae737 , but there is no mention of 'roaring' in Git's code or documentation. Moreover, there is no proposal to finish this on the GSoC 2023 ideas page: https://git.github.io/SoC-2023-Ideas/ . Is it because it would be too small of a project? Or maybe it turned out that roaring bitmaps were not a good idea - though I haven't found mentions of any benchmarks of roaring vs EWAH in the mailing list archives? Or perhaps there is no one to mentor this proposal? Regards, -- Jakub Narębski ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-03-23 19:26 What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? Jakub Narębski @ 2023-03-23 20:26 ` Taylor Blau 2023-03-23 22:01 ` Jakub Narębski 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Taylor Blau @ 2023-03-23 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jakub Narębski; +Cc: git, Abhradeep Chakraborty Hi Jakub, On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 08:26:11PM +0100, Jakub Narębski wrote: > Hello, > > Could you tell me what is the status of the Abhradeep Chakraborty work > in integrating roaring bitmaps (using CRoaring) in addition to, or > replacing current EWAH bitmaps (using ewok)? The last communication > about this shows that the patches were on the road to being merged in, > see e.g. https://medium.com/@abhra303/gsoc-final-report-feaaacfae737 , > but there is no mention of 'roaring' in Git's code or documentation. Abhradeep started working on a prototype to teach Git how to read and write Roaring+Run bitmaps in this series: https://lore.kernel.org/git/pull.1357.git.1663609659.gitgitgadget@gmail.com/ Some folks gave it a review, but there wasn't any serious traction and I don't think that Abhradeep has had a chance to come back to the series. For what it's worth, I would love if Abhradeep (or anybody else interested in working on this area) picked it back up, either using that series as a starting point or going from scratch. > Moreover, there is no proposal to finish this on the GSoC 2023 ideas > page: https://git.github.io/SoC-2023-Ideas/ . Is it because it would be > too small of a project? Or maybe it turned out that roaring bitmaps > were not a good idea - though I haven't found mentions of any benchmarks > of roaring vs EWAH in the mailing list archives? Or perhaps there is no > one to mentor this proposal? I don't have the capacity to mentor a student this cycle, and I am probably the most interested among potential mentors in seeing this project through ;-). I don't think that it's too small (in fact, it was probably an error on my part to include this as a potential stretch goal in Abhradeep's project). We don't have any evidence that it's a good or bad idea. Abhradeep promised[1] that he'd include some performance work in his next version of that series. I think the main things we'd be interested in are: - Does using Roaring provide a file-size advantage over EWAH-compressed bitmaps? - Does Roaring make it faster to inflate bitmaps? To deflate them? Deflating bitmaps doesn't matter as much, IMHO, since that is a cost that we pay only when we first have to compress bitmaps before writing them. But if we could significantly reduce the inflation cost, that would be an advantage to using Roaring+Run bitmaps over EWAH ones since they would be faster to decompress at read-time. Thanks, Taylor [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/git/CAPOJW5wkXrV8eOysz6aJ5jN2u_u-iTX_3om3tSDKw+EmfCJBEw@mail.gmail.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-03-23 20:26 ` Taylor Blau @ 2023-03-23 22:01 ` Jakub Narębski 2023-03-24 3:48 ` Abhradeep Chakraborty 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Jakub Narębski @ 2023-03-23 22:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Taylor Blau; +Cc: git, Abhradeep Chakraborty Hello Taylor, Thanks for a fast response. Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> writes: > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 08:26:11PM +0100, Jakub Narębski wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Could you tell me what is the status of the Abhradeep Chakraborty work >> in integrating roaring bitmaps (using CRoaring) in addition to, or >> replacing current EWAH bitmaps (using ewok)? The last communication >> about this shows that the patches were on the road to being merged in, >> see e.g. https://medium.com/@abhra303/gsoc-final-report-feaaacfae737 , >> but there is no mention of 'roaring' in Git's code or documentation. > > Abhradeep started working on a prototype to teach Git how to read and > write Roaring+Run bitmaps in this series: > > https://lore.kernel.org/git/pull.1357.git.1663609659.gitgitgadget@gmail.com/ > > Some folks gave it a review, but there wasn't any serious traction and I > don't think that Abhradeep has had a chance to come back to the series. > > For what it's worth, I would love if Abhradeep (or anybody else > interested in working on this area) picked it back up, either using that > series as a starting point or going from scratch. When I searched the mailing list archives, the thread was never continued. >> Moreover, there is no proposal to finish this on the GSoC 2023 ideas >> page: https://git.github.io/SoC-2023-Ideas/ . Is it because it would be >> too small of a project? Or maybe it turned out that roaring bitmaps >> were not a good idea - though I haven't found mentions of any benchmarks >> of roaring vs EWAH in the mailing list archives? Or perhaps there is no >> one to mentor this proposal? > > I don't have the capacity to mentor a student this cycle, and I am > probably the most interested among potential mentors in seeing this > project through ;-). Ah, so it is mostly the last issue - lack of a potential mentor for conntinuing this project. > I don't think that it's too small (in fact, it was probably an error on > my part to include this as a potential stretch goal in Abhradeep's > project). We don't have any evidence that it's a good or bad idea. > > Abhradeep promised[1] that he'd include some performance work in his > next version of that series. I think the main things we'd be interested > in are: > > - Does using Roaring provide a file-size advantage over > EWAH-compressed bitmaps? > - Does Roaring make it faster to inflate bitmaps? To deflate them? As far as I understand it, after reading articles about EWAH[2] and about Roaring Bitmaps[3][4], the Roaring have the advantage that you don't need to decompress (inflate) bitmaps to perform bitwise operations on them. Run-Length-Encoding (RLE) formats like EWAH can be made to perform operations without decompressing, but only if operations are symmetric. The AND and OR operations are symmetrical, but AND NOT is not. The last is used by Git to find "want"-ed that are not present (not "have") is not. That is why Git needs to decompress bitmap and perform operation. If I understand it correctly, for both cases (EWAH and Roaring) you can do membership check without decompressing bitmap. [2] Daniel Lemire et al. "Sorting improves word-aligned bitmap indexes", arXiv:0901.3751 [3] Samy Chambi, Daniel Lemire et al. "Optimizing Druid with Roaring bitmaps", https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/2938503.2938515 [4] Daniel Lemire et al. "Roaring Bitmaps: Implementation of an Optimized Software Library", arXiv:1709.07821v3 > > Deflating bitmaps doesn't matter as much, IMHO, since that is a cost > that we pay only when we first have to compress bitmaps before writing > them. But if we could significantly reduce the inflation cost, that > would be an advantage to using Roaring+Run bitmaps over EWAH ones since > they would be faster to decompress at read-time. Well, if Roaring were to be significantly slower when deflating, but only slightly faster when using / inflating, that would affect their evaluation. > > [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/git/CAPOJW5wkXrV8eOysz6aJ5jN2u_u-iTX_3om3tSDKw+EmfCJBEw@mail.gmail.com/ Regards, -- Jakub Narębski ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-03-23 22:01 ` Jakub Narębski @ 2023-03-24 3:48 ` Abhradeep Chakraborty 2023-03-25 17:40 ` Jakub Narębski 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Abhradeep Chakraborty @ 2023-03-24 3:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jakub Narębski; +Cc: Taylor Blau, git On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 3:32 AM Jakub Narębski <jnareb@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Taylor, > > Thanks for a fast response. > > Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> writes: > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 08:26:11PM +0100, Jakub Narębski wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> Could you tell me what is the status of the Abhradeep Chakraborty work > >> in integrating roaring bitmaps (using CRoaring) in addition to, or > >> replacing current EWAH bitmaps (using ewok)? The last communication > >> about this shows that the patches were on the road to being merged in, > >> see e.g. https://medium.com/@abhra303/gsoc-final-report-feaaacfae737 , > >> but there is no mention of 'roaring' in Git's code or documentation. > > > > Abhradeep started working on a prototype to teach Git how to read and > > write Roaring+Run bitmaps in this series: > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/git/pull.1357.git.1663609659.gitgitgadget@gmail.com/ > > > > Some folks gave it a review, but there wasn't any serious traction and I > > don't think that Abhradeep has had a chance to come back to the series. > > > > For what it's worth, I would love if Abhradeep (or anybody else > > interested in working on this area) picked it back up, either using that > > series as a starting point or going from scratch. > > When I searched the mailing list archives, the thread was never continued. Hello community, I have to apologize for the fact that I didn't continue the patch series. I wasn't involved in the community either. I am currently too busy to enhance my skills to get into a company of "my dream engineering environment". The problem is that it needs much effort and time to achieve that. I have always had a love for the Git project and the community. But unfortunately I can't contribute to it right now and I don't think I can contribute to it prior to my course ends (i.e. June, 2023). I would be happy if anybody else pick the issue and continue the work where I left off. I am even ready to guide/mentor/help. There are certain things in my mind (other than roaring bitmaps) that I previously shared with Kaartik and Taylor. I will continue to be a part of this community and will make contributions after my college ends. > >> Moreover, there is no proposal to finish this on the GSoC 2023 ideas > >> page: https://git.github.io/SoC-2023-Ideas/ . Is it because it would be > >> too small of a project? Or maybe it turned out that roaring bitmaps > >> were not a good idea - though I haven't found mentions of any benchmarks > >> of roaring vs EWAH in the mailing list archives? Or perhaps there is no > >> one to mentor this proposal? > > > > I don't have the capacity to mentor a student this cycle, and I am > > probably the most interested among potential mentors in seeing this > > project through ;-). > > Ah, so it is mostly the last issue - lack of a potential mentor for > conntinuing this project. > > > I don't think that it's too small (in fact, it was probably an error on > > my part to include this as a potential stretch goal in Abhradeep's > > project). We don't have any evidence that it's a good or bad idea. Yeah, It is big enough to take an extra 3 months of code and discussions. > > Abhradeep promised[1] that he'd include some performance work in his > > next version of that series. I think the main things we'd be interested > > in are: > > > > - Does using Roaring provide a file-size advantage over > > EWAH-compressed bitmaps? > > - Does Roaring make it faster to inflate bitmaps? To deflate them? > > As far as I understand it, after reading articles about EWAH[2] and > about Roaring Bitmaps[3][4], the Roaring have the advantage that you > don't need to decompress (inflate) bitmaps to perform bitwise operations > on them. > > Run-Length-Encoding (RLE) formats like EWAH can be made to perform > operations without decompressing, but only if operations are symmetric. > The AND and OR operations are symmetrical, but AND NOT is not. The last > is used by Git to find "want"-ed that are not present (not "have") is > not. That is why Git needs to decompress bitmap and perform operation. > > If I understand it correctly, for both cases (EWAH and Roaring) you can > do membership check without decompressing bitmap. > > > [2] Daniel Lemire et al. "Sorting improves word-aligned bitmap indexes", > arXiv:0901.3751 > > [3] Samy Chambi, Daniel Lemire et al. "Optimizing Druid with Roaring > bitmaps", https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/2938503.2938515 > [4] Daniel Lemire et al. "Roaring Bitmaps: Implementation of an > Optimized Software Library", arXiv:1709.07821v3 > > > > > Deflating bitmaps doesn't matter as much, IMHO, since that is a cost > > that we pay only when we first have to compress bitmaps before writing > > them. But if we could significantly reduce the inflation cost, that > > would be an advantage to using Roaring+Run bitmaps over EWAH ones since > > they would be faster to decompress at read-time. > > Well, if Roaring were to be significantly slower when deflating, but > only slightly faster when using / inflating, that would affect their > evaluation. IMHO, I don't think Roaring bitmaps would make any significant performance improvements. It may be faster to decompress, but I believe it takes more in memory computation than the EWAH. My biggest concern is its dynamic nature. It can dynamically change its underlying data structure into an array, bitmap or RLE. I didn't test the performance though and I shouldn't draw any conclusions about it. > > > > [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/git/CAPOJW5wkXrV8eOysz6aJ5jN2u_u-iTX_3om3tSDKw+EmfCJBEw@mail.gmail.com/ > > Regards, > -- > Jakub Narębski I am extremely sorry for the inconvenience and I hope you'll understand the situation. Thanks :) Regards, Abhradeep Chakraborty ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-03-24 3:48 ` Abhradeep Chakraborty @ 2023-03-25 17:40 ` Jakub Narębski 2023-07-31 17:46 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Jakub Narębski @ 2023-03-25 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Abhradeep Chakraborty; +Cc: Taylor Blau, git Abhradeep Chakraborty <chakrabortyabhradeep79@gmail.com> writes: Hello Abhradeep, Thank you for your response. > On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 3:32 AM Jakub Narębski <jnareb@gmail.com> wrote: >> Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> writes: >>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 08:26:11PM +0100, Jakub Narębski wrote: >>>> >>>> Could you tell me what is the status of the Abhradeep Chakraborty work >>>> in integrating roaring bitmaps (using CRoaring) in addition to, or >>>> replacing current EWAH bitmaps (using ewok)? The last communication >>>> about this shows that the patches were on the road to being merged in, >>>> see e.g. https://medium.com/@abhra303/gsoc-final-report-feaaacfae737 , >>>> but there is no mention of 'roaring' in Git's code or documentation. >>> >>> Abhradeep started working on a prototype to teach Git how to read and >>> write Roaring+Run bitmaps in this series: >>> >>> https://lore.kernel.org/git/pull.1357.git.1663609659.gitgitgadget@gmail.com/ >>> >>> Some folks gave it a review, but there wasn't any serious traction and I >>> don't think that Abhradeep has had a chance to come back to the series. >>> >>> For what it's worth, I would love if Abhradeep (or anybody else >>> interested in working on this area) picked it back up, either using that >>> series as a starting point or going from scratch. >> >> When I searched the mailing list archives, the thread was never continued. > > Hello community, > > I have to apologize for the fact that I didn't continue the patch > series. I wasn't involved in the community either. I am currently too > busy to enhance my skills to get into a company of "my dream > engineering environment". The problem is that it needs much effort and > time to achieve that. > > I have always had a love for the Git project and the community. But > unfortunately I can't contribute to it right now and I don't think I > can contribute to it prior to my course ends (i.e. June, 2023). I > would be happy if anybody else pick the issue and continue the work > where I left off. I am even ready to guide/mentor/help. Life happens; we can certainly understand the lack of time for work on, especially as a student. > There are certain things in my mind (other than roaring bitmaps) that > I previously shared with Kaartik and Taylor. I will continue to be a > part of this community and will make contributions after my college > ends. Thank you in advance for your offer. [...] >>> Abhradeep promised[1] that he'd include some performance work in his >>> next version of that series. I think the main things we'd be interested >>> in are: >>> >>> - Does using Roaring provide a file-size advantage over >>> EWAH-compressed bitmaps? >>> - Does Roaring make it faster to inflate bitmaps? To deflate them? >> >> As far as I understand it, after reading articles about EWAH[2] and >> about Roaring Bitmaps[3][4], the Roaring have the advantage that you >> don't need to decompress (inflate) bitmaps to perform bitwise operations >> on them. >> >> Run-Length-Encoding (RLE) formats like EWAH can be made to perform >> operations without decompressing, but only if operations are symmetric. >> The AND and OR operations are symmetrical, but AND NOT is not. The last >> is used by Git to find "want"-ed that are not present (not "have") is >> not. That is why Git needs to decompress bitmap and perform >> operation. At least that is why I think for any operations Git does decompress the bitmap into an ordinary bitset / plain bitmap for operations. >> If I understand it correctly, for both cases (EWAH and Roaring) you can >> do membership check without decompressing bitmap. >> >> >> [2] Daniel Lemire et al. "Sorting improves word-aligned bitmap indexes", >> arXiv:0901.3751 >> >> [3] Samy Chambi, Daniel Lemire et al. "Optimizing Druid with Roaring >> bitmaps", https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/2938503.2938515 >> [4] Daniel Lemire et al. "Roaring Bitmaps: Implementation of an >> Optimized Software Library", arXiv:1709.07821v3 The last work includes some benchmark. I understand that those benchmarks do not necessary match the particulars of Git's use of compressed bitmaps, but they are there. >>> Deflating bitmaps doesn't matter as much, IMHO, since that is a cost >>> that we pay only when we first have to compress bitmaps before writing >>> them. But if we could significantly reduce the inflation cost, that >>> would be an advantage to using Roaring+Run bitmaps over EWAH ones since >>> they would be faster to decompress at read-time. >> >> Well, if Roaring were to be significantly slower when deflating, but >> only slightly faster when using / inflating, that would affect their >> evaluation. > > IMHO, I don't think Roaring bitmaps would make any significant performance > improvements. It may be faster to decompress, but I believe it takes more > in memory computation than the EWAH. My biggest concern is its dynamic > nature. It can dynamically change its underlying data structure into an array, > bitmap or RLE. I didn't test the performance though and I shouldn't draw any > conclusions about it. Benchmarks results in section 5. "Experiments", in the D. Lemire et al. paper "Roaring Bitmaps: Implementation of an Optimized Software Library" does not include detailed information about memory usage during operations (beside mentioning that BitMagic solution, which is one solution they compare Roaring Bitmaps against, has exorbitant memory usage). However, there are some relevant results that can be found in this paper, namely: - Roaring had consitently smaller memory usage in bits per value than EWAH, though the difference is not large (e.g. 2.60 vs 3.29, or 0.60 vs 0.64 for different examples of Roaring vs EWAH) - time needed to iterate through all values was also smaller, for example 5.87 Roaring vs 13.1 EWAH - EWAH, WAH, and Concise has terrible random-access membership check performance; uncompressed is fastest, but Roaring is only 20x slower than uncompressed (e.g. 3.74 for bitset[5] vs 63.6 for Roaring, vs 3260 for EWAH) - for computing two-by-two intersections (AND), unions (OR), differences (AND NOT), and symmetric differences (XOR) Roaring is fastest or second-fastest after uncompressed bitset; EWAH is always slower - for compting wide union of 200 sets, Roaring is generally faster (in several instances several time faster than alternative), except for two cases where is about 20% or 10% slower than best (but not than EWAH). [5]: https://github.com/lemire/cbitset > I am extremely sorry for the inconvenience and I hope you'll understand the > situation. Thank you for all your work on reachability bitmaps. Best, -- Jakub Narębski ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-03-25 17:40 ` Jakub Narębski @ 2023-07-31 17:46 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys 2023-07-31 20:18 ` Taylor Blau 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Han-Wen Nienhuys @ 2023-07-31 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jakub Narębski; +Cc: Abhradeep Chakraborty, Taylor Blau, git On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 6:40 PM Jakub Narębski <jnareb@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Abhradeep promised[1] that he'd include some performance work in his > >>> next version of that series. I think the main things we'd be interested > >>> in are: > >>> > >>> - Does using Roaring provide a file-size advantage over > >>> EWAH-compressed bitmaps? I modified JGit to write Roaring bitmaps instead of EWAH bitmaps. The resulting difference in file sizes are small, and actually favor EWAH: $ ls -l {ewah-repos,roaring-repos}/*.git/objects/pack/*.bitmap -r--r----- 1 hanwen primarygroup 26257386 Jul 31 15:04 ewah-repos/android-pfb.git/objects/pack/pack-b14c35ec7fc3bb20884abe51a81c832be5983fdc.bitmap -r--r----- 1 hanwen primarygroup 27621579 Jul 31 15:20 roaring-repos/android-pfb.git/objects/pack/pack-b14c35ec7fc3bb20884abe51a81c832be5983fdc.bitmap -r--r----- 1 hanwen primarygroup 1037356 Jul 31 14:46 ewah-repos/gerrit.git/objects/pack/pack-fe46c7f96a2910f5775a2ff3bef7e4fa0e779f91.bitmap -r--r----- 1 hanwen primarygroup 1242608 Jul 31 14:45 roaring-repos/gerrit.git/objects/pack/pack-fe46c7f96a2910f5775a2ff3bef7e4fa0e779f91.bitmap -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - Google Munich I work 80%. Don't expect answers from me on Fridays. -- Google Germany GmbH, Erika-Mann-Strasse 33, 80636 Munich Registergericht und -nummer: Hamburg, HRB 86891 Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg Geschäftsführer: Paul Manicle, Liana Sebastian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-07-31 17:46 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys @ 2023-07-31 20:18 ` Taylor Blau 2023-08-01 11:26 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Taylor Blau @ 2023-07-31 20:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Han-Wen Nienhuys; +Cc: Jakub Narębski, Abhradeep Chakraborty, git On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 07:46:18PM +0200, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 6:40 PM Jakub Narębski <jnareb@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> Abhradeep promised[1] that he'd include some performance work in his > > >>> next version of that series. I think the main things we'd be interested > > >>> in are: > > >>> > > >>> - Does using Roaring provide a file-size advantage over > > >>> EWAH-compressed bitmaps? > > I modified JGit to write Roaring bitmaps instead of EWAH bitmaps. The > resulting difference in file sizes are small, and actually favor EWAH: > > $ ls -l {ewah-repos,roaring-repos}/*.git/objects/pack/*.bitmap > -r--r----- 1 hanwen primarygroup 26257386 Jul 31 15:04 > ewah-repos/android-pfb.git/objects/pack/pack-b14c35ec7fc3bb20884abe51a81c832be5983fdc.bitmap > -r--r----- 1 hanwen primarygroup 27621579 Jul 31 15:20 > roaring-repos/android-pfb.git/objects/pack/pack-b14c35ec7fc3bb20884abe51a81c832be5983fdc.bitmap > > -r--r----- 1 hanwen primarygroup 1037356 Jul 31 14:46 > ewah-repos/gerrit.git/objects/pack/pack-fe46c7f96a2910f5775a2ff3bef7e4fa0e779f91.bitmap > -r--r----- 1 hanwen primarygroup 1242608 Jul 31 14:45 > roaring-repos/gerrit.git/objects/pack/pack-fe46c7f96a2910f5775a2ff3bef7e4fa0e779f91.bitmap This was one of my hopes with Roaring+Run, too, but I think that it's a non-starter with our current object ordering for reachability bitmaps. I did the same experiment a few months ago in my fork of git.git, and consistently was able to produce smaller bitmaps when EWAH compressed as compared to Roaring+Run. I think the reason is that our bitmaps are pretty sparse, and so often have a lot of 0's, interspersed with a few 1's. Depending on container alignment, a single 1's bit surrounded by zeros will often get encoded as a length 0 "run" container. This means that instead of storing that information in a single bit like we would with EWAH, we use two 16-bit unsigned values to store (a) the position[^1], and (b) length of the run. The length is entirely wasted space, since the bytes are zeros, and storing the position is significantly less efficient than storing a sparse bit position in EWAH. I haven't proved conclusively one way or the other where Roaring+Run is significantly faster than EWAH or vice-versa. There are some cases where the former is a clear winner, and other cases where it's the latter. In any event, my extremely WIP patches to make this mostly work are available here: https://github.com/ttaylorr/git/compare/tb/roaring-bitmaps One thing that I was able to do to produce slightly smaller Roaring+Run encoded .bitmap files is to store some of the bitmaps as XORs against earlier bitmaps, similar to what we do with EWAH. Often XORing the raw bits, and then compressing that with Roaring+Run can be significantly smaller than storing another full Roaring+Run bitset. That's the only part that I've had trouble getting to make it consistently work, and I haven't had time to get back to it, so it's been collecting dust since the end of May. Thanks, Taylor [^1]: Not the bit position, exactly, but rather the 16 least-significant bits of the bit position, since all values in the same container share the 16 most-significant bits being a multiple of 2^16. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-07-31 20:18 ` Taylor Blau @ 2023-08-01 11:26 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys 2023-08-01 11:34 ` Jakub Narębski 2023-08-01 17:31 ` Taylor Blau 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Han-Wen Nienhuys @ 2023-08-01 11:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Taylor Blau; +Cc: Jakub Narębski, Abhradeep Chakraborty, git On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 10:18 PM Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> wrote: > I haven't proved conclusively one way or the other where Roaring+Run is > significantly faster than EWAH or vice-versa. There are some cases where > the former is a clear winner, and other cases where it's the latter. > > In any event, my extremely WIP patches to make this mostly work are > available here: > > https://github.com/ttaylorr/git/compare/tb/roaring-bitmaps > thanks. For anyone reading along, the changes to JGit are here https://git.eclipse.org/r/c/jgit/jgit/+/203448 I was looking into this because I was hoping that roaring might decrease peak memory usage. I don't have firm evidence that it's better or worse, but I did observe that runtime and memory usage during GC (which is heavy on bitmap operations due to delta/xor encoding) was unchanged. That makes me pessimistic that there are significant gains to be had. > One thing that I was able to do to produce slightly smaller Roaring+Run Just for my edification: what is "Roaring + Run" ? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - Google Munich I work 80%. Don't expect answers from me on Fridays. -- Google Germany GmbH, Erika-Mann-Strasse 33, 80636 Munich Registergericht und -nummer: Hamburg, HRB 86891 Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg Geschäftsführer: Paul Manicle, Liana Sebastian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-08-01 11:26 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys @ 2023-08-01 11:34 ` Jakub Narębski 2023-08-01 11:54 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys 2023-08-01 17:33 ` Taylor Blau 2023-08-01 17:31 ` Taylor Blau 1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Jakub Narębski @ 2023-08-01 11:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Han-Wen Nienhuys; +Cc: Taylor Blau, Abhradeep Chakraborty, git Hello, On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 at 13:26, Han-Wen Nienhuys <hanwen@google.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 10:18 PM Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> wrote: > > > > I haven't proved conclusively one way or the other where Roaring+Run is > > significantly faster than EWAH or vice-versa. There are some cases where > > the former is a clear winner, and other cases where it's the latter. > > > > In any event, my extremely WIP patches to make this mostly work are > > available here: > > > > https://github.com/ttaylorr/git/compare/tb/roaring-bitmaps > > > > thanks. For anyone reading along, the changes to JGit are here > > https://git.eclipse.org/r/c/jgit/jgit/+/203448 > > I was looking into this because I was hoping that roaring might > decrease peak memory usage. > > I don't have firm evidence that it's better or worse, but I did > observe that runtime and memory usage during GC (which is heavy on > bitmap operations due to delta/xor encoding) was unchanged. That makes > me pessimistic that there are significant gains to be had. The major advantage Roaring bitmaps have over EWAH and other simple Run Length Encoding based compression algorithms is that bitmap operations can be done on compressed bitmaps: there is no need to uncompress bitmap to do (want1 OR want2 AND NOT have). If I remember correctly, Git (the C implementation) basically un-compresses bitmaps to make use of them when using them during fetch. Some operations can be done on EWAH without decompression, but non-symmetric full-bitmap operation line AND NOT is not one of them. Best, -- Jakub Narębski ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-08-01 11:34 ` Jakub Narębski @ 2023-08-01 11:54 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys 2023-08-01 13:17 ` Jakub Narębski 2023-08-01 17:33 ` Taylor Blau 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Han-Wen Nienhuys @ 2023-08-01 11:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jakub Narębski; +Cc: Taylor Blau, Abhradeep Chakraborty, git On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 1:35 PM Jakub Narębski <jnareb@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 at 13:26, Han-Wen Nienhuys <hanwen@google.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 10:18 PM Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> wrote: > > > > > > I haven't proved conclusively one way or the other where Roaring+Run is > > > significantly faster than EWAH or vice-versa. There are some cases where > > > the former is a clear winner, and other cases where it's the latter. > > > > > > In any event, my extremely WIP patches to make this mostly work are > > > available here: > > > > > > https://github.com/ttaylorr/git/compare/tb/roaring-bitmaps > > > > > > > thanks. For anyone reading along, the changes to JGit are here > > > > https://git.eclipse.org/r/c/jgit/jgit/+/203448 > > > > I was looking into this because I was hoping that roaring might > > decrease peak memory usage. > > > > I don't have firm evidence that it's better or worse, but I did > > observe that runtime and memory usage during GC (which is heavy on > > bitmap operations due to delta/xor encoding) was unchanged. That makes > > me pessimistic that there are significant gains to be had. > > The major advantage Roaring bitmaps have over EWAH and other > simple Run Length Encoding based compression algorithms is that > bitmap operations can be done on compressed bitmaps: there is no > need to uncompress bitmap to do (want1 OR want2 AND NOT have). Are you sure? The source code for and and andNot look rather similar in that they seem to do operations on whole RLE sections at a time, https://sourcegraph.com/github.com/lemire/javaewah/-/blob/src/main/java/com/googlecode/javaewah/EWAHCompressedBitmap.java?L498 https://sourcegraph.com/github.com/lemire/javaewah/-/blob/src/main/java/com/googlecode/javaewah/EWAHCompressedBitmap.java?L405 Looking at the EWAH format as documented for git-bitmap-format, EWAH allows for RLE on both 1s and 0s. It should be possible to efficiently clear out a section of the target if the second operand of andNot has RLE encoded run of 1s. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - Google Munich I work 80%. Don't expect answers from me on Fridays. -- Google Germany GmbH, Erika-Mann-Strasse 33, 80636 Munich Registergericht und -nummer: Hamburg, HRB 86891 Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg Geschäftsführer: Paul Manicle, Liana Sebastian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-08-01 11:54 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys @ 2023-08-01 13:17 ` Jakub Narębski 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Jakub Narębski @ 2023-08-01 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Han-Wen Nienhuys; +Cc: Taylor Blau, Abhradeep Chakraborty, git Hello, On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 at 13:54, Han-Wen Nienhuys <hanwen@google.com> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 1:35 PM Jakub Narębski <jnareb@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 at 13:26, Han-Wen Nienhuys <hanwen@google.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 10:18 PM Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I haven't proved conclusively one way or the other where Roaring+Run is > > > > significantly faster than EWAH or vice-versa. There are some cases where > > > > the former is a clear winner, and other cases where it's the latter. > > > > > > > > In any event, my extremely WIP patches to make this mostly work are > > > > available here: > > > > > > > > https://github.com/ttaylorr/git/compare/tb/roaring-bitmaps > > > > > > > > > > thanks. For anyone reading along, the changes to JGit are here > > > > > > https://git.eclipse.org/r/c/jgit/jgit/+/203448 > > > > > > I was looking into this because I was hoping that roaring might > > > decrease peak memory usage. > > > > > > I don't have firm evidence that it's better or worse, but I did > > > observe that runtime and memory usage during GC (which is heavy on > > > bitmap operations due to delta/xor encoding) was unchanged. That makes > > > me pessimistic that there are significant gains to be had. > > > > The major advantage Roaring bitmaps have over EWAH and other > > simple Run Length Encoding based compression algorithms is that > > bitmap operations can be done on compressed bitmaps: there is no > > need to uncompress bitmap to do (want1 OR want2 AND NOT have). > > Are you sure? The source code for and and andNot look rather similar > in that they seem to do operations on whole RLE sections at a time, > > https://sourcegraph.com/github.com/lemire/javaewah/-/blob/src/main/java/com/googlecode/javaewah/EWAHCompressedBitmap.java?L498 > > https://sourcegraph.com/github.com/lemire/javaewah/-/blob/src/main/java/com/googlecode/javaewah/EWAHCompressedBitmap.java?L405 > > Looking at the EWAH format as documented for git-bitmap-format, EWAH > allows for RLE on both 1s and 0s. It should be possible to efficiently > clear out a section of the target if the second operand of andNot has > RLE encoded run of 1s. You are right, I seem to have misremembered the statement from the EWAH paper. Lemma 2 in "Sorting improves word-aligned bitmap indexes" (arXiv:0901.3751v7) states that the bitmap operation of L bitmaps is computable in O(L*compressed size), and for updatable L-ary operation like symmetric boolean operation the bitmap operation is computable in O(log(L)*compressed size). Now I am not sure if I understand the code of Git correctly, but it seems like in pack-bitmap.c the `add_commit_to_bitmap()` function stores the result of OR operation on bitmaps as an uncompressed bitmap: https://github.com/git/git/blob/master/pack-bitmap.c#L1030 Best, -- Jakub Narębski ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-08-01 11:34 ` Jakub Narębski 2023-08-01 11:54 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys @ 2023-08-01 17:33 ` Taylor Blau 2023-08-01 17:43 ` Jakub Narębski 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Taylor Blau @ 2023-08-01 17:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jakub Narębski; +Cc: Han-Wen Nienhuys, Abhradeep Chakraborty, git On Tue, Aug 01, 2023 at 01:34:32PM +0200, Jakub Narębski wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 at 13:26, Han-Wen Nienhuys <hanwen@google.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 10:18 PM Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> wrote: > > > > > > I haven't proved conclusively one way or the other where Roaring+Run is > > > significantly faster than EWAH or vice-versa. There are some cases where > > > the former is a clear winner, and other cases where it's the latter. > > > > > > In any event, my extremely WIP patches to make this mostly work are > > > available here: > > > > > > https://github.com/ttaylorr/git/compare/tb/roaring-bitmaps > > > > > > > thanks. For anyone reading along, the changes to JGit are here > > > > https://git.eclipse.org/r/c/jgit/jgit/+/203448 > > > > I was looking into this because I was hoping that roaring might > > decrease peak memory usage. > > > > I don't have firm evidence that it's better or worse, but I did > > observe that runtime and memory usage during GC (which is heavy on > > bitmap operations due to delta/xor encoding) was unchanged. That makes > > me pessimistic that there are significant gains to be had. > > The major advantage Roaring bitmaps have over EWAH and other > simple Run Length Encoding based compression algorithms is that > bitmap operations can be done on compressed bitmaps: there is no > need to uncompress bitmap to do (want1 OR want2 AND NOT have). Yeah, this is definitely where the majority of CPU savings seems to remain. The existing implementation in my branch is much too eager to uncompress bitmaps when we need to perform a logical/binary operation on them. I think with some more surgery we could leave bitmaps in a compressed state for longer. I am not sure whether or not we should ever uncompress the bitmaps, though it's possible that doing so is beneficial since uncompressed bitmaps have better query performance (albeit more costly memory usage). Thanks, Taylor ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-08-01 17:33 ` Taylor Blau @ 2023-08-01 17:43 ` Jakub Narębski 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Jakub Narębski @ 2023-08-01 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Taylor Blau; +Cc: Han-Wen Nienhuys, Abhradeep Chakraborty, git Hello On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 at 19:34, Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 01, 2023 at 01:34:32PM +0200, Jakub Narębski wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 at 13:26, Han-Wen Nienhuys <hanwen@google.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 10:18 PM Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I haven't proved conclusively one way or the other where Roaring+Run is > > > > significantly faster than EWAH or vice-versa. There are some cases where > > > > the former is a clear winner, and other cases where it's the latter. > > > > > > > > In any event, my extremely WIP patches to make this mostly work are > > > > available here: > > > > > > > > https://github.com/ttaylorr/git/compare/tb/roaring-bitmaps > > > > > > > > > > thanks. For anyone reading along, the changes to JGit are here > > > > > > https://git.eclipse.org/r/c/jgit/jgit/+/203448 > > > > > > I was looking into this because I was hoping that roaring might > > > decrease peak memory usage. > > > > > > I don't have firm evidence that it's better or worse, but I did > > > observe that runtime and memory usage during GC (which is heavy on > > > bitmap operations due to delta/xor encoding) was unchanged. That makes > > > me pessimistic that there are significant gains to be had. > > > > The major advantage Roaring bitmaps have over EWAH and other > > simple Run Length Encoding based compression algorithms is that > > bitmap operations can be done on compressed bitmaps: there is no > > need to uncompress bitmap to do (want1 OR want2 AND NOT have). > > Yeah, this is definitely where the majority of CPU savings seems to > remain. The existing implementation in my branch is much too eager to > uncompress bitmaps when we need to perform a logical/binary operation on > them. As I understand it, the current code in Git (in C implementation) uses uncompressed bitmap to store the result of OR-ing, but it uses compressed EWAH to perform <uncompressed result> OR <EWAH-compressed bitmap>. > I think with some more surgery we could leave bitmaps in a compressed > state for longer. I am not sure whether or not we should ever uncompress > the bitmaps, though it's possible that doing so is beneficial since > uncompressed bitmaps have better query performance (albeit more costly > memory usage). I'm not sure if it would be worth the complexity, but supposedly you can perform L bitwise OR operations in O(log(L)) instead of O(L). Current C code computes OR operation sequentially, see above, and also https://github.com/git/git/blob/master/pack-bitmap.c#L103\0 There might be thousands of "wants" and of "haves", but is it common? Best, -- Jakub Narębski ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the status of GSoC 2022 work on making Git use roaring bitmaps? 2023-08-01 11:26 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys 2023-08-01 11:34 ` Jakub Narębski @ 2023-08-01 17:31 ` Taylor Blau 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Taylor Blau @ 2023-08-01 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Han-Wen Nienhuys; +Cc: Jakub Narębski, Abhradeep Chakraborty, git On Tue, Aug 01, 2023 at 01:26:19PM +0200, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > > One thing that I was able to do to produce slightly smaller Roaring+Run > > Just for my edification: what is "Roaring + Run" ? Roaring+Run refers to a modified version of the Roaring bitset compression scheme which has an additional container type to represent runs of a single (set) bit. The run container stores the lower 16-bits of bit position of the start of the run, and then it uses another 16-bit value to store the length of the run. For more, this paper from David Lemire is a good start: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1402.6407.pdf Thanks, Taylor ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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