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From: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk, git@vger.kernel.org,
	Karthik Nayak <karthik.188@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] refs: do not label special refs as pseudo refs
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 14:16:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZjDhEKbTFx2O-gcD@tanuki> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240430102310.GC1279403@coredump.intra.peff.net>

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 06:23:10AM -0400, Jeff King wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 09:30:05AM +0200, Patrick Steinhardt wrote:
[snip]
> > > Are there any practical implications of the changes in this patch for users
> > > running commands like "git log FETCH_HEAD" (I can't think of any off the top
> > > of my head but it would be good to have some reassurance on that point in
> > > the commit message)
> > 
> > Not really, no. We have never been doing a good job at enforcing the
> > difference between pseudo refs or normal refs anyway. Pseudo refs can be
> > symrefs just fine, and our tooling won't complain. The only exception
> > where I want us to become stricter is in how we enforce the syntax rules
> > for root refs (which is handled by Peff in a separate patch series), and
> > that we start to not treat FETCH_HEAD and MERGE_HEAD as proper refs.
> > They should still resolve when you ask git-rev-parse(1), but when you
> > iterate through refs they should not be surfaced as they _aren't_ refs.
> 
> I actually would not even mind if they are surfaced when iterating with
> --include-root-refs. But then I am a little skeptical of the purpose of
> that feature in the first place. After all, the reason code shoves stuff
> into .git/FOO_HEAD is precisely because we don't want other stuff
> iterating over them, using them for reachability, and so on. That is why
> "--all" does not include them, for example.
> 
> But I did not follow the development of the feature, so maybe I am
> missing some cool use case.

The thing is that once we start to surface pseudorefs (in the sense of
these _really_ aren't refs) in ref-related tooling, users will want to
treat them as a ref, as well. And that's just bound to happen with
plumbing like `git for-each-ref`, where a user may rightfully expect
that all output here can be treated like a normal ref.

In fact though, I want to double down on restrictions regarding the
pseudorefs FETCH_HEAD and MERGE_HEAD. While it's fair enough that those
can be read like a ref, writing to them is a totally different thing. It
does not make any sense to try and write such refs, and our abstractions
aren't even prepared to write them correctly. They go through the ref
backend, and thus the "reftable" backend would write them into the
reftable stack instead of into the filesystem. Now you could argue that
this should be fixed, but I don't think it is reasonable to expect the
reftable backend to start writing loose refs for those pseudorefs.

So I'd really like to stick with the current explanation that we have in
the "special ref" glossary: pseudorefs must be written via the
filesystem and can't ever go through the ref backends.

Patrick

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-04-30 12:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-29 13:41 [PATCH 0/3] Clarify pseudo-ref terminology Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-29 13:41 ` [PATCH 1/3] refs: move `is_special_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-29 13:41 ` [PATCH 2/3] refs: do not label special refs as pseudo refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-29 15:12   ` Phillip Wood
2024-04-30  7:30     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30  9:59       ` Phillip Wood
2024-04-30 12:11         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 10:23       ` Jeff King
2024-04-30 12:07         ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-30 12:33           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:16         ` Patrick Steinhardt [this message]
2024-04-29 16:24   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-29 22:52   ` Justin Tobler
2024-04-30  7:29     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-09 17:29   ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2024-05-10  8:33     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-29 13:41 ` [PATCH 3/3] refs: fix segfault in `is_pseudoref()` when ref cannot be resolved Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-29 15:25   ` Phillip Wood
2024-04-29 18:57   ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-29 19:47     ` Phillip Wood
2024-04-29 20:44       ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-30  7:30     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] Clarify pseudo-ref terminology Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:26   ` [PATCH v2 01/10] Documentation/glossary: redefine pseudorefs as special refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:49     ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-30 17:17     ` Justin Tobler
2024-04-30 20:12     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-02  8:07       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:26   ` [PATCH v2 02/10] Documentation/glossary: clarify limitations of pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 13:35     ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2024-04-30 12:26   ` [PATCH v2 03/10] Documentation/glossary: define root refs as refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:56     ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-30 12:26   ` [PATCH v2 04/10] refs: rename `is_pseudoref()` to `is_root_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 20:20     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-30 12:26   ` [PATCH v2 05/10] refs: refname `is_special_ref()` to `is_pseudo_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:58     ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-30 12:26   ` [PATCH v2 06/10] refs: classify HEAD as a root ref Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:26   ` [PATCH v2 07/10] refs: root refs can be symbolic refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 17:09     ` Justin Tobler
2024-05-02  8:07       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-03 20:49         ` Justin Tobler
2024-05-07 10:32           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:26   ` [PATCH v2 08/10] refs: pseudorefs are no refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:27   ` [PATCH v2 09/10] ref-filter: properly distinuish pseudo and root refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 13:11     ` Karthik Nayak
2024-05-02  8:08       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02 10:03         ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-30 12:27   ` [PATCH v2 10/10] refs: refuse to write pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02  8:17 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] Clarify pseudo-ref terminology Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02  8:17   ` [PATCH v3 01/10] Documentation/glossary: redefine pseudorefs as special refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02  8:17   ` [PATCH v3 02/10] Documentation/glossary: clarify limitations of pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02  8:17   ` [PATCH v3 03/10] Documentation/glossary: define root refs as refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02  8:17   ` [PATCH v3 04/10] refs: rename `is_pseudoref()` to `is_root_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02  8:17   ` [PATCH v3 05/10] refs: refname `is_special_ref()` to `is_pseudo_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02  8:17   ` [PATCH v3 06/10] refs: classify HEAD as a root ref Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02  8:17   ` [PATCH v3 07/10] refs: root refs can be symbolic refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-03 18:13     ` Jeff King
2024-05-15  4:16       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  4:39         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  6:22           ` Jeff King
2024-05-15  6:35             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  6:49               ` Jeff King
2024-05-15  6:59                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  6:20         ` Jeff King
2024-05-02  8:17   ` [PATCH v3 08/10] refs: pseudorefs are no refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02  8:17   ` [PATCH v3 09/10] ref-filter: properly distinuish pseudo and root refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02  8:17   ` [PATCH v3 10/10] refs: refuse to write pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10  8:48 ` [PATCH v4 00/10] Clarify pseudo-ref terminology Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10  8:48   ` [PATCH v4 01/10] Documentation/glossary: redefine pseudorefs as special refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10  8:48   ` [PATCH v4 02/10] Documentation/glossary: clarify limitations of pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10  8:48   ` [PATCH v4 03/10] Documentation/glossary: define root refs as refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10  8:48   ` [PATCH v4 04/10] refs: rename `is_pseudoref()` to `is_root_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10  8:48   ` [PATCH v4 05/10] refs: refname `is_special_ref()` to `is_pseudo_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10  8:48   ` [PATCH v4 06/10] refs: root refs can be symbolic refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10  8:48   ` [PATCH v4 07/10] refs: classify HEAD as a root ref Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10  8:48   ` [PATCH v4 08/10] refs: pseudorefs are no refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10  8:48   ` [PATCH v4 09/10] ref-filter: properly distinuish pseudo and root refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10  8:48   ` [PATCH v4 10/10] refs: refuse to write pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 18:59   ` [PATCH v4 00/10] Clarify pseudo-ref terminology Junio C Hamano
2024-05-15  6:50 ` [PATCH v5 " Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  6:50   ` [PATCH v5 01/10] Documentation/glossary: redefine pseudorefs as special refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  6:50   ` [PATCH v5 02/10] Documentation/glossary: clarify limitations of pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  6:50   ` [PATCH v5 03/10] Documentation/glossary: define root refs as refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  6:50   ` [PATCH v5 04/10] refs: rename `is_pseudoref()` to `is_root_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  6:50   ` [PATCH v5 05/10] refs: rename `is_special_ref()` to `is_pseudo_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  6:50   ` [PATCH v5 06/10] refs: do not check ref existence in `is_root_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 20:38     ` Justin Tobler
2024-05-16  4:13       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  6:50   ` [PATCH v5 07/10] refs: classify HEAD as a root ref Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 20:44     ` Justin Tobler
2024-05-15  6:51   ` [PATCH v5 08/10] refs: pseudorefs are no refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  6:51   ` [PATCH v5 09/10] ref-filter: properly distinuish pseudo and root refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15  6:51   ` [PATCH v5 10/10] refs: refuse to write pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt

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