From: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
To: Karthik Nayak <karthik.188@gmail.com>
Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] refs: do not label special refs as pseudo refs
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 14:33:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZjDlMs3Zm1JQybAx@tanuki> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOLa=ZSLx3BQa8zHyDZp5CDuQc4rgSk1LjSX=uQViWXsiv1LZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 05:07:19AM -0700, Karthik Nayak wrote:
> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 09:30:05AM +0200, Patrick Steinhardt wrote:
[snip]
> >> > Are there any practical implications of the changes in this patch for users
> >> > running commands like "git log FETCH_HEAD" (I can't think of any off the top
> >> > of my head but it would be good to have some reassurance on that point in
> >> > the commit message)
> >>
> >> Not really, no. We have never been doing a good job at enforcing the
> >> difference between pseudo refs or normal refs anyway. Pseudo refs can be
> >> symrefs just fine, and our tooling won't complain. The only exception
> >> where I want us to become stricter is in how we enforce the syntax rules
> >> for root refs (which is handled by Peff in a separate patch series), and
> >> that we start to not treat FETCH_HEAD and MERGE_HEAD as proper refs.
> >> They should still resolve when you ask git-rev-parse(1), but when you
> >> iterate through refs they should not be surfaced as they _aren't_ refs.
> >
> > I actually would not even mind if they are surfaced when iterating with
> > --include-root-refs. But then I am a little skeptical of the purpose of
> > that feature in the first place. After all, the reason code shoves stuff
> > into .git/FOO_HEAD is precisely because we don't want other stuff
> > iterating over them, using them for reachability, and so on. That is why
> > "--all" does not include them, for example.
> >
> > But I did not follow the development of the feature, so maybe I am
> > missing some cool use case.
> >
>
> The use case was to allow us to look at these refs when working with
> the reftable backend. Currently there is no way to do that, with the
> files backend, well you could just read the files. So mostly a debugging
> usecase.
That's true for normal root refs, only, though. The pseudorefs (current
special refs) can still be surfaced even if the for-each-ref machinery
doesn't surface them because by definition, they always live in the
filesystem.
Patrick
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Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-04-29 13:41 [PATCH 0/3] Clarify pseudo-ref terminology Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-29 13:41 ` [PATCH 1/3] refs: move `is_special_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-29 13:41 ` [PATCH 2/3] refs: do not label special refs as pseudo refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-29 15:12 ` Phillip Wood
2024-04-30 7:30 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 9:59 ` Phillip Wood
2024-04-30 12:11 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 10:23 ` Jeff King
2024-04-30 12:07 ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-30 12:33 ` Patrick Steinhardt [this message]
2024-04-30 12:16 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-29 16:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-29 22:52 ` Justin Tobler
2024-04-30 7:29 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-09 17:29 ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2024-05-10 8:33 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-29 13:41 ` [PATCH 3/3] refs: fix segfault in `is_pseudoref()` when ref cannot be resolved Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-29 15:25 ` Phillip Wood
2024-04-29 18:57 ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-29 19:47 ` Phillip Wood
2024-04-29 20:44 ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-30 7:30 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] Clarify pseudo-ref terminology Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] Documentation/glossary: redefine pseudorefs as special refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:49 ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-30 17:17 ` Justin Tobler
2024-04-30 20:12 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-02 8:07 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] Documentation/glossary: clarify limitations of pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 13:35 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2024-04-30 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] Documentation/glossary: define root refs as refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:56 ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-30 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] refs: rename `is_pseudoref()` to `is_root_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 20:20 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-30 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] refs: refname `is_special_ref()` to `is_pseudo_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:58 ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-30 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] refs: classify HEAD as a root ref Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] refs: root refs can be symbolic refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 17:09 ` Justin Tobler
2024-05-02 8:07 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-03 20:49 ` Justin Tobler
2024-05-07 10:32 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] refs: pseudorefs are no refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 12:27 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] ref-filter: properly distinuish pseudo and root refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-30 13:11 ` Karthik Nayak
2024-05-02 8:08 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02 10:03 ` Karthik Nayak
2024-04-30 12:27 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] refs: refuse to write pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] Clarify pseudo-ref terminology Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] Documentation/glossary: redefine pseudorefs as special refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] Documentation/glossary: clarify limitations of pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] Documentation/glossary: define root refs as refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] refs: rename `is_pseudoref()` to `is_root_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] refs: refname `is_special_ref()` to `is_pseudo_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] refs: classify HEAD as a root ref Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] refs: root refs can be symbolic refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-03 18:13 ` Jeff King
2024-05-15 4:16 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 4:39 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 6:22 ` Jeff King
2024-05-15 6:35 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 6:49 ` Jeff King
2024-05-15 6:59 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 6:20 ` Jeff King
2024-05-02 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] refs: pseudorefs are no refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] ref-filter: properly distinuish pseudo and root refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-02 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] refs: refuse to write pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 8:48 ` [PATCH v4 00/10] Clarify pseudo-ref terminology Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 8:48 ` [PATCH v4 01/10] Documentation/glossary: redefine pseudorefs as special refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 8:48 ` [PATCH v4 02/10] Documentation/glossary: clarify limitations of pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 8:48 ` [PATCH v4 03/10] Documentation/glossary: define root refs as refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 8:48 ` [PATCH v4 04/10] refs: rename `is_pseudoref()` to `is_root_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 8:48 ` [PATCH v4 05/10] refs: refname `is_special_ref()` to `is_pseudo_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 8:48 ` [PATCH v4 06/10] refs: root refs can be symbolic refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 8:48 ` [PATCH v4 07/10] refs: classify HEAD as a root ref Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 8:48 ` [PATCH v4 08/10] refs: pseudorefs are no refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 8:48 ` [PATCH v4 09/10] ref-filter: properly distinuish pseudo and root refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 8:48 ` [PATCH v4 10/10] refs: refuse to write pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 18:59 ` [PATCH v4 00/10] Clarify pseudo-ref terminology Junio C Hamano
2024-05-15 6:50 ` [PATCH v5 " Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 6:50 ` [PATCH v5 01/10] Documentation/glossary: redefine pseudorefs as special refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 6:50 ` [PATCH v5 02/10] Documentation/glossary: clarify limitations of pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 6:50 ` [PATCH v5 03/10] Documentation/glossary: define root refs as refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 6:50 ` [PATCH v5 04/10] refs: rename `is_pseudoref()` to `is_root_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 6:50 ` [PATCH v5 05/10] refs: rename `is_special_ref()` to `is_pseudo_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 6:50 ` [PATCH v5 06/10] refs: do not check ref existence in `is_root_ref()` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 20:38 ` Justin Tobler
2024-05-16 4:13 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 6:50 ` [PATCH v5 07/10] refs: classify HEAD as a root ref Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 20:44 ` Justin Tobler
2024-05-15 6:51 ` [PATCH v5 08/10] refs: pseudorefs are no refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 6:51 ` [PATCH v5 09/10] ref-filter: properly distinuish pseudo and root refs Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-15 6:51 ` [PATCH v5 10/10] refs: refuse to write pseudorefs Patrick Steinhardt
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