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From: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
	Justin Tobler <jltobler@gmail.com>,
	Dragan Simic <dsimic@manjaro.org>,
	Karthik Nayak <karthik.188@gmail.com>,
	Todd Zullinger <tmz@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/4] BreakingChanges: document upcoming change from "sha1" to "sha256"
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 09:06:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zl682Dk6RcFOC2rA@framework> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqfrtu56fo.fsf@gitster.g>

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On Mon, Jun 03, 2024 at 09:36:59AM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im> writes:
> 
> > Starting with 8e42eb0e9a (doc: sha256 is no longer experimental,
> > 2023-07-31), the "sha256" object format is no longer considered to be
> > experimental. Furthermore, the SHA-1 hash function is actively
> > recommended against by for example NIST and FIPS 140-2, and attacks
> > against it are becoming more practical both due to new weaknesses
> > (SHAppening, SHAttered, Shambles) and due to the ever-increasing
> > computing power. It is only a matter of time before it can be considered
> > to be broken completely.
> >
> > Let's plan for this event by being active instead of waiting for it to
> > happend and announce that the default object format is going to change
> > from "sha1" to "sha256" with Git 3.0.
> >
> > All major Git implementations (libgit2, JGit, go-git) support the
> > "sha256" object format and are thus prepared for this change. The most
> > important missing piece in the puzzle is support in forges. But while
> > GitLab recently gained experimental support for the "sha256" object
> > format though, to the best of my knowledge GitHub doesn't support it
> > yet. Ideally, announcing this upcoming change will encourage forges to
> > start building that support.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
> > ---
> >  Documentation/BreakingChanges.txt | 24 ++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  1 file changed, 24 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/Documentation/BreakingChanges.txt b/Documentation/BreakingChanges.txt
> > index ddce7cc301..904857a636 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/BreakingChanges.txt
> > +++ b/Documentation/BreakingChanges.txt
> > @@ -61,6 +61,30 @@ be changed to or replaced in case the alternative was implemented already.
> >  
> >  === Changes
> >  
> > +* The default hash function for new repositories will be changed from "sha1"
> > +  to "sha256". SHA-1 has been deprecated by NIST in 2011 and is nowadays
> > +  recommended against in FIPS 140-2 and similar certifications. Furthermore,
> > +  there are practical attacks on SHA-1 that weaken its cryptographic properties:
> > ++
> > +  ** The SHAppening (2015). The first demonstration of a practical attack
> > +     against SHA-1 with 2^57 operations.
> > +  ** SHAttered (2017). Generation of two valid PDF files with 2^63 operations.
> > +  ** Birthday-Near-Collision (2019). This attack allows for chosen prefix
> > +     attacks with 2^68 operations.
> > +  ** Shambles (2020). This attack allows for chosen prefix attacks with 2^63
> > +     operations.
> > ++
> > +While we have protections in place against known attacks, it is expected
> > +that more attacks against SHA-1 will be found by future research. Paired
> > +with the ever-growing capability of hardware, it is only a matter of time
> > +before SHA-1 will be considered broken completely. We want to be prepared
> > +and will thus change the default hash algorithm to "sha256" for newly
> > +initialized repositories.
> > ++
> > +Cf. <2f5de416-04ba-c23d-1e0b-83bb655829a7@zombino.com>,
> > +<20170223155046.e7nxivfwqqoprsqj@LykOS.localdomain>,
> > +<CA+EOSBncr=4a4d8n9xS4FNehyebpmX8JiUwCsXD47EQDE+DiUQ@mail.gmail.com>.
> 
> A few things we should probably list are:
> 
>  - Even if you can locally use SHA-256 in your project and
>    push/fetch the history around, public forges may not be ready.
> 
>  - The strategy to migrate existing SHA-1 project to SHA-256 without
>    going through a flag day change has been designed but not
>    implemented or deployed.
> 
>  - This is only about the change of the default; we currently have
>    no plan to drop support for SHA-1 repositories.
> 
> IMHO, we would want each and every item in this document to mention
> the risk factors that may prevent us from going forward even if we
> wanted to, and the first item above is an example.
> 
> Thanks.

I agree that explicitly mentioning (1) and (3) is sensible. Is the
second one important though given that this is about the default when
creating _new_ repositories? I don't think interop code is a requirement
to make "sha256" the default, is it?

Patrick

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-04  7:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-07  8:27 [RFC PATCH] docs: document upcoming breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-07 10:38 ` Johannes Schindelin
2024-05-08 13:55   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-07 22:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-08 13:54   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-08 14:58     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-08 15:59     ` Dragan Simic
2024-05-10 11:36       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10 12:43         ` Dragan Simic
2024-05-08 13:15 ` Phillip Wood
2024-05-08 13:55   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-10  2:15 ` Justin Tobler
2024-05-10  4:47   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-14  6:50     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-14  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH v2] " Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-14 10:48   ` Karthik Nayak
2024-05-14 11:22     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-14 15:45       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-14 12:32     ` Dragan Simic
2024-05-24 12:54 ` [PATCH v3] " Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-24 17:27   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-30 12:04     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-30  3:23   ` Commands using -h as an option don't work consistently Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03 18:33     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03 20:05       ` [PATCH 0/3] Branches are branches and not heads Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03 20:05         ` [PATCH 1/3] refs: call branches branches Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03 21:32           ` Eric Sunshine
2024-06-03 20:05         ` [PATCH 2/3] ls-remote: introduce --branches and deprecate --heads Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03 21:30           ` Rubén Justo
2024-06-03 21:42             ` Eric Sunshine
2024-06-03 21:48               ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03 20:05         ` [PATCH 3/3] show-ref: " Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03 21:32         ` [PATCH 0/3] Branches are branches and not heads Rubén Justo
2024-06-04  7:56           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-04 22:01         ` [PATCH v2 " Junio C Hamano
2024-06-04 22:01           ` [PATCH v2 1/3] refs: call branches branches Junio C Hamano
2024-06-04 22:01           ` [PATCH v2 2/3] ls-remote: introduce --branches and deprecate --heads Junio C Hamano
2024-06-06  9:39             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-06 15:18               ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-04 22:01           ` [PATCH v2 3/3] show-ref: " Junio C Hamano
2024-06-14 19:32             ` Elijah Newren
2024-06-14 21:21               ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-14 21:34                 ` Elijah Newren
2024-06-14 21:42                   ` Elijah Newren
2024-06-14 22:46                     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-06  9:39           ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Branches are branches and not heads Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-31  7:56 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] docs: document upcoming breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-31  7:56   ` [PATCH v4 1/4] docs: introduce document to announce " Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-31 16:51     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03  9:32       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-03 16:17         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-04  7:42           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-31  7:56   ` [PATCH v4 2/4] BreakingChanges: document upcoming change from "sha1" to "sha256" Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-31 17:00     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-31  7:56   ` [PATCH v4 3/4] BreakingChanges: document removal of grafting Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-31  7:56   ` [PATCH v4 4/4] BreakingChanges: document that we do not plan to deprecate git-checkout Patrick Steinhardt
2024-05-31 17:05     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-31 23:35       ` Todd Zullinger
2024-05-31  8:43   ` [PATCH v4 0/4] docs: document upcoming breaking changes Junio C Hamano
2024-05-31 11:15     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-03  9:28 ` [PATCH v5 " Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-03  9:28   ` [PATCH v5 1/4] docs: introduce document to announce " Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-03 14:08     ` Phillip Wood
2024-06-03 16:24     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-04  6:59       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-03  9:28   ` [PATCH v5 2/4] BreakingChanges: document upcoming change from "sha1" to "sha256" Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-03 16:36     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-04  7:06       ` Patrick Steinhardt [this message]
2024-06-04 17:16         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03  9:28   ` [PATCH v5 3/4] BreakingChanges: document removal of grafting Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-03 16:42     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03  9:28   ` [PATCH v5 4/4] BreakingChanges: document that we do not plan to deprecate git-checkout Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-03 16:52     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-04  7:11       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-04 12:32 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] docs: document upcoming breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-04 12:32   ` [PATCH v6 1/4] docs: introduce document to announce " Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-04 17:59     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-05  5:31       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-05 16:03         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-05 17:52           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-06  4:35             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-04 12:32   ` [PATCH v6 2/4] BreakingChanges: document upcoming change from "sha1" to "sha256" Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-04 12:32   ` [PATCH v6 3/4] BreakingChanges: document removal of grafting Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-04 18:00     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-04 12:32   ` [PATCH v6 4/4] BreakingChanges: document that we do not plan to deprecate git-checkout Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-04 14:23   ` [PATCH v6 0/4] docs: document upcoming breaking changes Phillip Wood
2024-06-04 18:01     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-05  5:32       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-14  6:42 ` [PATCH v7 " Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-14  6:42   ` [PATCH v7 1/4] docs: introduce document to announce " Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-14 16:08     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-14  6:42   ` [PATCH v7 2/4] BreakingChanges: document upcoming change from "sha1" to "sha256" Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-14  6:42   ` [PATCH v7 3/4] BreakingChanges: document removal of grafting Patrick Steinhardt
2024-06-14  6:42   ` [PATCH v7 4/4] BreakingChanges: document that we do not plan to deprecate git-checkout Patrick Steinhardt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-05-29 22:03 Commands using -h as an option don't work consistently Kevin Day
2024-05-29 22:22 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-29 22:40   ` Kevin Day

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