From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from complex.crustytoothpaste.net (complex.crustytoothpaste.net [172.105.7.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E86316B3A5 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2024 21:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=172.105.7.114 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1723497421; cv=none; b=tpjfpOfwJkKsP5VqD2/qvpsWJxr7yzuo9EGkgw/rnWR7PhaFtNZe9hAK+hI+FA060Z87axP1LzMdeaBKDpmdCgmXJU/wdKYEIda8GOpO1GfjwOS+o4Td574UOQFsDzRR+9HvCUeUStBz2akHFuutK+ZM/w5DTpK+rnJ6K/ii2oU= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1723497421; c=relaxed/simple; bh=ijZeQzCmBiWLRg24irBi/gFDj4kaAKSrIrSvVRAHtPM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=EjjrQTPChkYTSih2LFwff6hFY57xQFCYWtPl2UGBz3NsXMB1ErQ+XMTLDu2D0aq6PqwuAIx7CCwOt0TWzY9jolvz2JqtUINR+b5aBUQdXGMef0B5AWC1vfSlxyCkUvTrl3RT+Z7XEia9/bYPD4pwtgIwnWC5tc2hjWNu1ky0MSw= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=crustytoothpaste.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=crustytoothpaste.net; dkim=pass (3072-bit key) header.d=crustytoothpaste.net header.i=@crustytoothpaste.net header.b=P5a37Eyz; arc=none smtp.client-ip=172.105.7.114 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=crustytoothpaste.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=crustytoothpaste.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (3072-bit key) header.d=crustytoothpaste.net header.i=@crustytoothpaste.net header.b="P5a37Eyz" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=crustytoothpaste.net; s=default; t=1723497417; bh=ijZeQzCmBiWLRg24irBi/gFDj4kaAKSrIrSvVRAHtPM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Content-Type: Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:From:Reply-To:Subject:Date:To:CC: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Content-Type:Content-Disposition; b=P5a37Eyz0XPNZtKHDpVn9RNEuBg1Ul343tJKaHiWqQytU0yLPlohpp036z1ZfK2Uk ZsAvK0rbaRw3B8YKBTtfgtPCZXYdQrenC4sxl9Ecwm3kMoyhvK8wOE0depTmSOZAZv nE7Yv8rSESzZSlpmUgcUTn6COxCbvqtZLCQrvxqwO0T633jFGW19BN3k6zr7x9IlhW v68LaAMFdvS9AH2MLgzju3+jOU4iHIeL890EvCahmG4g43Pwjqo9YC8bsOelh5Xlfy nlqsSSdpRPcLmMHiUkVv3w78nFDddsL45M2gCvovxK9T9S7iJmir7BnJO1IpJuRXBk KwE1pgIChZoDGcTVNwSEmHCUTJjxV1uoYJc/W8bdr2FMAi9dRvLwd5flABtJrCVkDK 2FHITKvlfHnW0fC4UHAFnYY9cnbmfwAvG8AJY6qNZzA8KL9HGxc0lyELvAh+MPnchV xsZkKiXqEKFwhrOwCwQeawErubGKyly/0igHUiFFzr7iJ8MuTAp Received: from tapette.crustytoothpaste.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:b056:101:e59a:3ed0:5f5c:31f3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by complex.crustytoothpaste.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E8A40209C4; Mon, 12 Aug 2024 21:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 21:16:56 +0000 From: "brian m. carlson" To: Mike Castle Cc: git Subject: Re: Heads up: GMail regularly marking list messages as spam Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: "brian m. carlson" , Mike Castle , git References: Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XlcrKCVN48HRdL+X" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.13 (2024-03-09) --XlcrKCVN48HRdL+X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2024-08-12 at 15:10:23, Mike Castle wrote: > If you read the list via GMail, you may want to regularly check your > Spam label for messages from the git list. >=20 > I'm not sure what's up with that. A handful of real spam had made it > through vger, but GMail seems to be hitting a fair number of false > positives lately. >=20 > Sometimes it is just one message in a patch set. Others, it is whole > sets of patches. I didn't check to see if there was anything in > common across the messages. Maybe if anyone has a large batch, they > can check? >=20 > It would be interesting to see if this affects domain specific users > as well (e.g., Google itself). Gmail and Yahoo have both set up new requirements for senders[0]. This requires that all senders have SPF and DKIM, and senders sending more than 5000 messages per day have DMARC set up. One-click unsubscribe in RFC 8058 is also obligatory, as is TLS for sending messages. These changes came into effect in February 2024. I don't believe vger uses DKIM (at least, it doesn't appear to add DKIM headers) and doesn't support RFC 8058 one-click unsubscribe. Perhaps adding support for those, as well as any other relevant requirements, would improve things. [0] https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126?sjid=3D9729987135322685176-NC= &visit_id=3D638590935924706038-3386441869&rd=3D1 --=20 brian m. carlson (they/them or he/him) Toronto, Ontario, CA --XlcrKCVN48HRdL+X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.4.4 (GNU/Linux) iHUEABYKAB0WIQQILOaKnbxl+4PRw5F8DEliiIeigQUCZrp7yAAKCRB8DEliiIei gbb9AP9Y8i5KG3lCcaF/t0LhoKISyBiIYXnHVmEKwcK/5mJ5PgD/dUyXM2iViXl4 +riUfMMfzWpk2Zv9r6y1nw56sib95Qk= =ok+U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XlcrKCVN48HRdL+X--