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From: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>, Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/8] finalize_object_file(): implement collision check
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 18:02:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZvM29ufCGsIl9cIM@nand.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqzfnwrb4q.fsf@gitster.g>

On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 02:32:21PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> >   - We already use the path of the loose object as its hash value /
> >     object name, so checking for collisions at the content level doesn't
> >     add anything.
>
> "We already ... doesn't add anything" -> "The point of collision
> check is to find an attempt to store different contents that hashes
> down to the same object name, and we continue to use sha1dc to hash
> the content name so such a collision would have already been
> detected".

Exactly.

> >     This is why we do not bother to check the inflated object contents
> >     for collisions either, since either (a) the object contents have the
> >     fingerprint of a SHA-1 collision, in which case the collision
> >     detecting SHA-1 implementation used to hash the contents to give us
> >     a path would have already rejected it, or (b) the contents are part
> >     of a colliding pair which does not bear the same fingerprints of
> >     known collision attacks, in which case we would not have caught it
> >     anyway.
>
> I do not understand (b).  If you compare inflated contents, you
> would find such a pair that sha1dc missed but the "implement
> collision check" patch would have caught as a pair of byte sequences
> that hash to the same value.  Isn't it an opportunity to make it safer
> to implement such a loose object collision check?

All I was saying with (b) was that if you had some new collision attack
that didn't trigger the existing detection mechanisms in the existing
collision-detecting SHA-1 implementation, then you wouldn't notice the
collision anyway.

You could inflate the contents and compare them, but I don't think it
would much matter at that point since you've already let one of them
enter the repository, and it's not clear which is the "correct" one to
keep since they both hash to the same value.

Thanks,
Taylor

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-24 22:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-01 16:03 [PATCH 0/4] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-01 16:03 ` [PATCH 1/4] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-02 13:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-03 19:34     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-01 16:03 ` [PATCH 2/4] hash.h: scaffolding for _fast hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-02 13:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-03 17:27     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-03 19:52       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-03 20:47         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-03 21:24           ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-04  7:05           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-04 14:53             ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-03 19:40     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-01 16:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-02 13:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-03 19:43     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-01 16:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] csum-file.c: use fast SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-02 13:41   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-03  1:22     ` brian m. carlson
2024-09-03 19:50     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-02  3:41 ` [PATCH 0/4] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Junio C Hamano
2024-09-03 19:48   ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-03 20:44     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-02 14:08 ` brian m. carlson
2024-09-03 19:47   ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-03 22:41     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-04 14:01     ` brian m. carlson
2024-09-05 10:37     ` Jeff King
2024-09-05 15:41       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-05 16:23         ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 16:51           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-05 17:04             ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 17:51               ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 20:21                 ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 20:27               ` Jeff King
2024-09-05 21:27                 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-05 15:11 ` [PATCH v2 " Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] hash.h: scaffolding for _fast hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-05 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] csum-file.c: use fast SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46 ` [PATCH v3 0/9] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 1/9] finalize_object_file(): check for name collision before renaming Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 2/9] finalize_object_file(): refactor unlink_or_warn() placement Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 3/9] finalize_object_file(): implement collision check Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 21:44     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-06 21:51       ` Chris Torek
2024-09-10  6:53       ` Jeff King
2024-09-10 15:14         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-16 10:45     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-09-16 15:54       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-16 16:03         ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-17 20:40       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 4/9] pack-objects: use finalize_object_file() to rename pack/idx/etc Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 5/9] i5500-git-daemon.sh: use compile-able version of Git without OpenSSL Taylor Blau
2024-09-11  6:10     ` Jeff King
2024-09-11  6:12       ` Jeff King
2024-09-12 20:28         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-11 15:28       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-11 21:23         ` Jeff King
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 6/9] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 7/9] hash.h: scaffolding for _fast hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 8/9] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 19:46   ` [PATCH v3 9/9] csum-file.c: use fast SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-06 21:50   ` [PATCH v3 0/9] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Junio C Hamano
2024-09-24 17:32 ` [PATCH v4 0/8] " Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 1/8] finalize_object_file(): check for name collision before renaming Taylor Blau
2024-09-25 17:02     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 2/8] finalize_object_file(): refactor unlink_or_warn() placement Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 3/8] finalize_object_file(): implement collision check Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 20:37     ` Jeff King
2024-09-24 21:59       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 22:20         ` Jeff King
2024-09-25 18:06           ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 21:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-24 22:02       ` Taylor Blau [this message]
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 4/8] pack-objects: use finalize_object_file() to rename pack/idx/etc Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 21:34     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 5/8] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 6/8] hash.h: scaffolding for _unsafe hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 7/8] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 17:32   ` [PATCH v4 8/8] csum-file.c: use unsafe SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-24 20:52   ` [PATCH v4 0/8] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Jeff King
2024-09-25 16:58   ` Elijah Newren
2024-09-25 17:11     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-25 17:22       ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-25 17:22     ` Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22 ` [PATCH v5 " Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 1/8] finalize_object_file(): check for name collision before renaming Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 2/8] finalize_object_file(): refactor unlink_or_warn() placement Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 3/8] finalize_object_file(): implement collision check Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 4/8] pack-objects: use finalize_object_file() to rename pack/idx/etc Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 5/8] sha1: do not redefine `platform_SHA_CTX` and friends Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 6/8] hash.h: scaffolding for _unsafe hashing variants Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 7/8] Makefile: allow specifying a SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 15:22   ` [PATCH v5 8/8] csum-file.c: use unsafe SHA-1 implementation when available Taylor Blau
2024-09-26 22:47   ` [PATCH v5 0/8] hash.h: support choosing a separate SHA-1 for non-cryptographic uses Elijah Newren
2024-09-27  0:44     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-09-27  3:57   ` Jeff King

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